Another Demand for Officers to be Fired

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In TN, a man ran from police at 1:00 am. Went down a dead end road. Bailed at the end and ran into a lake. Swam halfway across as officers yelled at him to come back. He came back to about 10 feet from the bank. One officer could not swim. One officer started to go in but another told him not to because he would probably get pulled under too. Now the family wants them fired for not saving her son.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-drown...id-family-170100605--abc-news-topstories.html
 
First, don’t jump in a lake if you can’t swim.:(

Second, police vrs lifeguard, entirely different skill set. :eek:

maybe we should put a Lifeguard at every body of water with all the money left over after all the PDs are defunded?o_O
 
Going in the water after someone who is drowning is dangerous. Doing it without proper precautions and secondary help is more so. Doing it if you don't know what you're doing is damned near suicidal.

Back in my younger years, I spent a couple of summers working as a pool life guard at a hotel. They teach you what a drowning person will do and how to get out of it. One day I had one kid that couldn't swim too well and was acting out behaviorally as a result. Since it was a very slow day, I ended up getting in the pool with him and having him start at the edge and swim towards me and then back to the edge, progressively increasing the distance. At one point he freaked out, grabbed me around the neck and started trying to climb up on top of me to get out of the water. I got out of his hold like we were taught and he grabbed my upper arm, still trying to get up out of the water. In both cases the trick is to know that in or under the water is where they don't want to be and s0 you put them there. After I got my arm free I got around behind him and noticed he was about 1 inch below the water surface flailing his hands and feet. So I grabbed him from behind and lifted him out of the water. He kept flailing and the instructors said to tell them that you've got them and they'll settle down, so I did. The instructors were right.
 
But, it's their job to protect people.

Fire them and sue the tire manufacturer for giving them the ability to make chase.
 
Police need to be trained better for water rescue since you can easily be pulled under by a panicked swimmer. Proper procedure is to shoot panicked criminal then go in after him. He will now be easier to handle without all of that thrashing.
 
Whoever has jurisdiction over that body of water had better expect an "attractive nuisance" lawsuit. ::sigh::
 
My buddy in WV had a chase and the guy stopped on a bridge and jumped into the Ohio River. His partner pulled up as the guy jumped and said who's going in? My buddy just said the guy can sink. They called in the fire department and water team searched for him but never found him. Turns out the turd was a dang good swimmer and they found him a few weeks later at his mom's house. Just for reference the Ohio is a big deep river.
 
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Let me channel my monty python dead bird skit voice...

The body camera video "sent straight anger through me, because I know what kind of person that he is," Baldwin's cousin, Destiny Baldwin, told ABC News. "They treated him very, very unfairly."​
No they didn't.
"It's a part of your job to protect and serve the community. It just seemed like in that case with JJ that wasn't it. It was more of, 'Do I know this person? Is he armed? He's faking it.' Stuff that a cop on duty shouldn't ask," she said.​
No it isn't.
 
A car pursuit in the early morning hours of June 4, trying to pull over Johnny Baldwin for a minor traffic violation.
WHY DID HE RUN. By running he put people on the street in danger, he put other people driving in danger???

Baldwin drove down a dead end. Baldwin then fled on foot, and as the Winchester officers searched the area, they heard something in the water nearby.
Again what did he do that made it so necessary to flee and jump in a lake at night?

"I gave him orders to stop and swim back towards us, which he did," an officer said in the report. Correct thing to do.

Baldwin was about 10 feet from the lake's bank when "he stopped coming closer and just floated there for a second.
He stopped!

Baldwin would "go under water and pop back up several times but would never proceed to the edge where we could get him.
Apparently still trying to avoid arrest.

For what ever the reason he didn't want to get caught. His actions can only been seen as criminal. Law abiding people would pull over and get a minor ticket or a warning for what started this.

We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that,
The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Baldwin drowned, the incident report said.
Calling for a rescue squad and dive team was proper procedure. The lake is in a wooded, overgrown area, where it's unclear how deep the water is. Officers were also concerned whether Baldwin would engage in a struggle with police considering he had already fled, according to Lewis.
Nothing requires a police officer to risk his/her life in a situation like this.

Now, here is what I want to know... Did the man have a record? Why did he run?

A lot of these report by the new forget (omit) this information so you think the person in question is a victim, and has never done anything wrong.
I don't buy it. Good, innocent people don't get in a high speed chase, jump out, run through the woods, jump in a lake and swim half way across, and back then drown refusing to let the police arrest them.

There is more to this story. More about Balwin that we are not being told.... and it being used to put a bad light on Police AGAIN!

Personally I'm really getting tired of victim hood at the expense of Law Enforcement.
Where is the outrage for the irresponsible actions of Balwin and his total lack of personal responsibility.

Pull over, take your ticket and go home.!!!! Suck it up buttercup, you messed up!!!!
 
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J R Green said:
You know the mantra that gets repeated so often that the "police don't have to protect you"?
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Amen to that. If the Supreme Court upholds that the police have no duty to protect, then why would you assume that they have a duty to rescue you?

When I was a climbing guide the one mantra that they drilled into our heads was that if you have to initiate a rescue, NEVER CREATE A SECOND VICTIM. If you didn't have all the skills, tools or resources to pull off a rescue then you may have to make the hard choice not to render assistance.

It's night time...
your backup officer can't swim...
you're not a rescue swimmer...
you have a struggling suspect who may panic and try to pull you under...
no form of line throwing...

I wouldn't fault the officers for not rendering assistance. It sucks that the suspect died because of this, but it was a situation of his own making.
 
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