Apex shooting psychotic break?

Seems to have a very disjointed set of issues.
Kill MIT grads? Has there been an MIT scandal?
Kill West point grads? The guy was army, so maybe a problem with VA/command?
Kills a HOA member. Unrelated grudge?

The lesson is don't step outside to try to talk someone down.
 
I don't like my HOA but I would never shoot any of them..
 
My daughter lives in Apex and I was on the phone with her Wednesday afternoon when she was driving home past this area and she kept talking about 2 helicopters camped out nearly over the post office. Later found out it was about this shooting.
 
P01135809 said:
Sounds exactly like the kind of thing a shooter would post on a public forum right before they shoot their HOA
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I see. Well I really really won't do that. I am not wired that way.
 
Having some experience with dealing with HOA’s, from all sides of their power tripping, I can see how this can happen. It would be a powder keg for someone who is not right in the head. The nitpicking that the HOA will do, the Karens AND Kens that will continually push the issues, the sheeple who live there who think there is some sort of real authority there for HOA people to “do something.”

Hell, I once got a letter from a guy who was supposedly the HOA president of a neighborhood, written on a printed letterhead that said “from the office of the HOA president.” It was and he was 100% deadpan serious.

The petty stuff that I regularly hear from HOAs and the people who live in them is mind boggling—for both why someone would willingly move into such an arrangement and why people would continue to let it rein.

The accusation of “speeding” is always a hot one in neighborhoods, especially stacked-ontop-one-another townhome developments like this. People don’t realize the state law default non-highway speed limit is 35 MPH. While that doesn’t set any land speed records, it’s moving to the perception of someone walking a dog or a parent wanting the street to be a playground for their kids. Not saying this idiot didn’t ever zip through a little hotter than he should have (maybe to spite the people being buttholes to him), but it’s typically not “speeding.”

At the end of the day, this guy is 100% responsible for what he did—no excuses. I’m saying the HOA crap may be a big part in what lit his final fuse though. Would this have been prevented if some people didn’t think they were empowered to tell someone where to put his trash can? Yeah, maybe.
 
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I think the HOA thing is being taken way out of context, these two ladies were neighbors, this lunatic was shouting and they tried to help calm him. Yep, hindsight here says don’t do it, but still.

Also, he was a renter. Typically the homeowner will get the notices or any fines from the HOA, not the renter.
 
Eticket said:
Also, he was a renter. Typically the homeowner will get the notices or any fines from the HOA, not the renter.
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Not always--it may just be sent to the property address, not the owner mailing address.

I'm not blaming anything on the HOA. The hive mentality that creates a nearly bullying environment can absolutely contribute to an unhealthy environment, though.
 
Eticket said:
Also, he was a renter. Typically the homeowner will get the notices or any fines from the HOA, not the renter.
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When we rented a house in Holly Springs, we weren’t moving in for another 2+ weeks, got a letter at our home telling us, due to the excessive weeds, if we didn’t mow in a day, we were going to be fined $100/day until they brought a landscaping crew in, and we’d be billed for that as well. There was a drought.
I only had a 60” zero turn commercial mower. I loaded up, got there the next day the postage stamp of a lawn had three brown weeds 3” tall.
I set the deck to ‘dirt’, and proceeded to level the soil and chuck it into the road for 1/2 hour.
Loaded up and left. The HOA got the message to piss off.

Yes I upgraded the rentee’s landscaping and lawn considerably.
 
Get Off My Lawn said:
When we rented a house in Holly Springs, we weren’t moving in for another 2+ weeks, got a letter at our home telling us, due to the excessive weeds, if we didn’t mow in a day, we were going to be fined $100/day until they brought a landscaping crew in, and we’d be billed for that as well. There was a drought.
I only had a 60” zero turn commercial mower. I loaded up, got there the next day the postage stamp of a lawn had three brown weeds 3” tall.
I set the deck to ‘dirt’, and proceeded to level the soil and chuck it into the road for 1/2 hour.
Loaded up and left. The HOA got the message to piss off.

Yes I upgraded the rentee’s landscaping and lawn considerably.
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in a SFH, Notices can go to the address, but apartments and TH’s we sent them to owners address which is not always the same.
 
Some of you on here have a dog whistle reaction to "HOA" like some gun grabbers when the word "NRA" is mentioned. As more info comes out, it appears that the HOA thing is mostly irrelevant. They had spoken to him on other occasions about his dangerous driving through the neighborhood and some trash problem.

It started when he was outside waving a pool stick around and shouting up at the sky to burn the Catholic Church and kill all West Point and MIT graduates. At this point, he had already shot his dog, apparently while inside his home. The older lady approached him to calm down and was on the phone with the cops when she was shot. The younger lady, a friend of the older one, joined and was also trying to help when Hardman shot them both.

A third neighbor was on the phone with 911 and told them, “He just picked up the gun, put the magazine back in the gun, walked over to the two bodies and now he’s walking across the street,” the caller said. Apex police praised one neighbor for his bravery after he saw Hardman, armed himself and confronted him. In the call, the man said he had him at gunpoint and was given instructions not to shoot him. Hardman was still holding the gun. The man was not identified by Apex police. “I went back in my house,” the man said. “I lost him; I don’t know where he went.” In a statement given to police, the man asked for privacy to process the incident. “As a neighbor, I was attempting to keep them from hurting anyone else until police arrived,” he said.

Hardman went into his home and emerged out the back door with an AR-15. By then, APD was outside and ordered him to drop it, which he did, and was arrested without incident.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/article284442085.html#storylink=cpy

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One thing not mentioned here is that the fast response of APD may have prevented Hardman from taking that AR-15 on a shooting spree through the neighborhood.
 
MostWanted said:
Some of you on here have a dog whistle reaction to "HOA" like some gun grabbers when the word "NRA" is mentioned.
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Whoops. The dog whistle forgot this part:
“I'm not blaming anything on the HOA...”
 
9outof10mms said:
Whoops. The dog whistle forgot this part:
“I'm not blaming anything on the HOA...”
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As soon as the word "HOA" appeared in post 6, then 13 of the next 16 posts jumped to HOA bashing with no direct mention of the original topic. It happens every time the word "HOA" appears in any thread. That's what I meant by "dog whistle".
 
MostWanted said:
As soon as the word "HOA" appeared in post 6, then 13 of the next 16 posts jumped to HOA bashing with no direct mention of the original topic. It happens every time the word "HOA" appears in any thread. That's what I meant by "dog whistle".
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My point in bringing it up is that regular sane people can be driven to the point of wanting to throw a vehicle through a building by an HOA. I could see someone who’s off their rocker being driven to do far worse.

I’ve got nothing to go on other than personal experience with a lot of HOA’s, and their investigation will never turn anything up to prove this. HOA’s are very much like bullying in schools in that we all know they do it, yet when you shine a light on it there’s nothing there. It just vanishes and everyone is left smiling innocently saying “whatever are you talking about, sweetie? We’re only here to help.”
 
Of all the things he was wanting to burn or kill, there’s no mention of the HOA in his rant. This man’s break with reality had already started in the house when he shot his own dog. That the first person he encountered in the yard was a member of the HOA seems irrelevant.
 
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