Apex training rifle 101/102

Discussion in 'Training Reviews - AAR' started by Daleo8803, Jul 7, 2018.

  1. Daleo8803

    Daleo8803 Move along, move along Charter Member

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    Let me begin by saying this was my first ever true training class. I needed help building up my rifle skills. I contacted Ryan by email and he responded very quickly. I wanted to do the 102 class but my father wanted the 101 class so Ryan said I will do a combo no problem.

    Got to the range a little early. Talked with him and his staff. A very cool and knowledgeable group of people. After the other students arrived we when to the range and began the class. He covered basic rifle skills like reloading, cover, proper recoil control and more. Then it was lots of live fire drills designed to make you think and use your whole body. Firing from kneeling, prone, and from your side( for under cars and stuff). Firing from cover, moving and firing over 400 rounds. Simply awesome. I learned so much. Ryan and his staff took extra time with people that needed more help on certain things than others. Just a great experience. Me and my father both are already planning our next trip up to Apex training. If you have the opportunity to take a class from them I can't recommend them enough!!!!!

    Thanks @Apex Defense Group
     
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    Thank you very very much for the kind words. Loved having you and your father! Awesome shooters and down right good people. Look forward to seeing you back out there! -Ryan
     
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    I was at the class as well, along with two of my oldest boy's. I think we all learned a great deal. I learned that single point slings are tough on my shooting hand and that loctite is your friend. We also learned that PSA has some quality control issues huh? Two PSA guns had some fairly big issues. My old Rock River did a pretty good job, but after 8 hours it felt like the front end was made of depleted uranium. Using my psychic abilities,**sim salla bim** I see a lighter key mod rail in my future. Another big take away for me was that, while a compensator's may help your shooting, it has a detrimental affect on the guys to your right and left when on a line... thank God for MSA Sordins.

    If you are sitting on the fence about a class you need to hop off and sign up. These classes are affordable and often - two things we rarely see in firearms training right? And we all know that when guys (and gals) who shoot get together, it is almost always friendly and a good time. Apex's classes have always been both educational and a hell of a good way to spend a Saturday. You can even show up without a gun and shoot! BTW Ryan, were you not supposed to charge D2 for that?

    So come out to the next class folks! If I am available and they have room, i think i will take the ACC class coming up for a third time! Maybe I will see you there.

    p.s. I was not late.


    Derek
     
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    Thanks for the kind words my friend. Thank you for your continued business as well. I am glad you learned a lot and had some takeaways and you hit an amazing point, a class like this does allow a shooter to see what works and what fails. When we (the instructors) get as many students as we do monthly, it allows us to see a lot of different optics, weapons, gear, etc. and allows us unique insight as to what works and what doesnt which we try to pass on unbiased only if someone asks. Thank you again for all of your business, and no, no charge for D2 or Dalton for using rental guns. Its the least we could do for all the business you have given us between yourself and your family. I look forward to seeing everyone back out for a class very soon.

    P.S. you were definitely late (although I do admit I may have not been clear on start time ;) )
     
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    MadMan4Ever Sig-Sauer devotee

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    I just took this class today & the only complaint I have is my body is aging & decrepit... :(

    I was accurately engaging targets up to 150 yards away, my groups on paper up close were marvelous... it’s almost a shame the North Koreans haven’t invaded yet. :D

    I loved the range, had I my way, I’d have stayed there...

    If I may suggest a few things, pack plenty of high grade sunscreen, use a factory built gun, not something you built. Guy with a home build has loads of trouble. LWRC M6 I had was a gem... if it wasn’t for the fact it takes me 30 minutes to get up after going prone, the SEALS would be lucky to have me... :D

    The instructor was safety conscious, but I still managed to learn something. In a rarity for a instructor, there was no profanity. It was a PG class at best, even when s piece of hot brass flew down my shirt & my plate carrier held it tight to my skin... :eek::confused:

    I am proud to say I was able to keep rifle pointed down range during that incident. ;)
     
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    Thank you for the kind words. We do not believe in cussing, at it adds nothing to the class. You did AWESOME today! Very safety conscious, very good shooter, ultra tight groups, and a pleasure to crack jokes with. Hope to see you back out soon!
     
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    InvisibleOne a.k.a. LoboLoco Life Member

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    Count me as another satisfied customer! I really enjoyed the class, yesterday. We had 10 students with 2 instructors. The range was laid-out well, with room for all students to operate without feeling cramped. Paper/cardboard targets for 5-15 yard, and steel targets set at 90, 100, and 150 yards, as well as 3 steel silhouettes for practicing pistol transitions. Oh yeah, and a BEAUTIFUL pond just screaming for lawn chairs and fishing rods :)
    The instructors were very patient with students who experienced malfunctions and equipment issues. They frequently asked if anyone had questions or needed more time on a subject before moving on. We covered a lot of material! I found several areas of weakness that I need to focus on, including left hand shooting. I also found several shortcomings in my equipment.
    I brought 3 rifles with me, and decided to run my Sig M400 16" with the Sig 3x scope it came with. That choice paid off well when it came time to hit steel at 100 and 150 yards. I felt confident behind a very familiar sight. However, it also came at a price. I found that it was very slow on close distance targets. Just guessing, I'd say 75% of the class was at short range. The full length barrel also gets much heavier as the day progresses. Next time I take the class, I'll use my 10" SBR with red dot sight. That's much more appropriate for short range defensive use. And YES , I plan to take the class again. I also want to bring my nephew, and a couple of my shooting buddies along. You can't practice the basics too much.
    As mentioned above, there was an assortment of rifles present. A few full factory made guns and several home-built rifles and SBR's, even one suppressed 300 blackout with binary trigger. Most guns performed as expected, though others had numerous delays. It certainly highlighted the importance of carrying a RELIABLE weapon. My Sig ran perfectly, all errors were mine.
    The shooters also came in all shapes and sizes. Some of us older guys were a bit slower with the kneeling and standing again. Some guys passed on certain positions that would be too uncomfortable.

    If you have been considering training classes, I urge you to take the plunge. You will definitely benefit from putting your gear, and yourself through a stress-test. My one piece of advice for students is to be sure your weapon is zeroed before you arrive. It will help your class to be more efficient, so everyone can learn more.

    Thanks again to all of my classmates, and to Ryan and Bush. It was a good day!
     
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    Thank you very much for the recommendation. You shot extremely well yesterday. It was nice to have someone on the end who knew what they were doing, made my job easier. Hope to see you out again, especially being a local to us, we always enjoy seeing that.
     
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    This is the second (or third?) time i have taken the class. I enjoyed it as usual. The new Aero build was light and fast. Since my body armor has the pistol and rifle patches i wore it all day. Great class!
     
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