Article: ATF flagged Raleigh, Durham and Fayetteville FFL dealers for guns used in crimes

BlueGecko said:
It's a pity they didn't list the list. I stopped listing handguns on Armslist just because of the sheer number of New Yorkers who wanted to buy them.
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Yeah I was shocked they didn't name and shame the stores.
 
I would imagine that if you are an FFL in one of any of the Democrat ran crap 💩 holes ,that you would have a high possibility of guns you sold could be used in a crime. Typically it's not the person that filled out the 4473. Hopefully they aren't going to scrutinized the FFL if the gun was stolen.
 
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Could be smaller FFL's vs the larger gun shops.
 
Button Pusher said:
Could be smaller FFL's vs the larger gun shops.
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It is usually larger shops. More volume equals more traces. Just the way it is. We get half a dozen or so a year and we are small potatoes compared to the big brick and mortar shops.
 
Criminals don't buy guns at gun stores. Some will use straw buyers who they have trained to hide the obvious signs of someone being a straw buyer.
Buying a gun for one's wife is not a "straw" purchase when one's wife also has a CCW.
Guarantee in most of the illegal straw cases, it is the girlfriend buying for a criminal.
 
cubrock said:
It is usually larger shops. More volume equals more traces. Just the way it is. We get half a dozen or so a year and we are small potatoes compared to the big brick and mortar shops.
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This just makes numerical sense. FG&G is probably on it for just this reason, as an example.
 
JohnFreeman said:
This just makes numerical sense. FG&G is probably on it for just this reason, as an example.
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Yep. Bet they sell 10,000 guns a year or more. Having 25 of those result in a trace is statistically insignificant, yet that standard applies both to them and a kitchen table FFL who does 50 transfers a year.
 
Let's say the gun owning community comes together and says "Let's do a background check on every sale, but it must be free, done in under 15 minutes, and offered as a service at any law enforcement office anywhere in the country because you don't trust FFLs."

Police would be screaming that they don't have the funding/manpower to do it. Leftists would be screaming that we shouldn't be spending tax money on it.

So it's not about reducing crime by re-allocating resources toward reducing crime.
 
The GF that strawed the rifle her prohibited BF used to murder two firemen upstate NY after he set his house on fire only got two years in prison.
 
I've always said that the general.public deserves access to the stolen gun database. As a responsible law abiding citizen, we don't want a stolen gun, by having that database available to the general.public, it would hurt the stolen gun market and make it less profitable
 
The list, originally obtained by Brady -- an anti-gun violence non-profit
Another bunch of anti 2nd amendment with no life and that DA eats up in Orange County apparently.
As long as we all can we might as well enjoy the ability to sell firearms to each other in our respective states under the law. Probably won't last for a lot of younger generations.
But hay guys that's OK you still legally kill your unborn baby or cut you pecker or boobs off if you want to pretend you want to be a girl or a boy No problem. What a country.
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"cut you pecker or boobs off if you want to pretend to be a girl or a boy"

FIFY!
 
Yellow journalism:
"That's a problem if they're not following the rules," said Orange County District Attorney Jeff Nieman. "But even if they are, like I said, it's a leaky boat because the people who are buying them from the from the authorized dealers can turn around and make an over the fence sale to their neighbor and that person might be a felon."
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“Fence sale to a felon?” People can also lawfully sell them in a private sale.

"There's nothing stopping me from saying I have a firearm. You want to check it out? If so, I'll sell it to you for $100," Nieman said. "That and there's nothing stopping us from doing that. And there's nothing requiring me to check to see if you are legally authorized to possess that firearm before I sell it to you."
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Criminals are going to criminal. Normal people will follow the law and not knowingly sell to criminals. We no longer have a PPP program, thankfully.
 
"There's nothing stopping me from saying I have a firearm. You want to check it out? If so, I'll sell it to you for $100," Nieman said. "That and there's nothing stopping us from doing that."

We call this "freedom" Jeffie.
 
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