ATF Classifies Rare Breed “Forced Reset” Trigger As MACHINE GUN

BigWaylon said:
As far as I know, you just have to make sure it has a FA carrier. Possibly a heavier buffer…I think the FRT says that, but the WOT I supposed to run on a standard carbine buffer.
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Thats what they say but the SIG has no buffer at all and basically the same bolt with a lighter carrier.

 
So how soon before a few members here get hacked and start selling these for discount prices via paypal? Lol
 
For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:
Dan0311 said:
  • Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
  • The frame or receiver of any such weapon
  • Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or
  • Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
These triggers OBVIOUSLY do not fit the ATF's definition of a Machinegun. The trigger resets on every semi-auto firearm I know of; these just reset with a stronger spring. so they're calling it a machinegun. Absurd. The ATF hates work-arounds, or a better mousetrap, therefore instead of trying to change the laws, they just move the goal posts and the referees (judges) are often on their side. It's a rigged game and more and more people appear to be recognizing that.
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Spot-on!

Continuing to pull backward on the trigger despite a FRT's forward reset constitutes another (different from the previous) pull of the trigger that sends a single round down range ... AND it constitutes intent to fire another round, since one would have stopped pulling backward on the trigger if one did not want to fire another (single) round down range.

From an intent standpoint, this is fundamentally no different from the use of human isometric tension via a bump stock -- wherein a person pulls the fore end of the bump stock equipped rifle forward while keeping the firing hand and stock in a fixed, shouldered position ... and continues doing so against the recoil of the (single) round just fired down range when one intends to send another (single) round down range.


The ATF didn't like bump stocks because the human acts as a spring by way of human isometric tension in order to increase the rate of fire of single rounds down range per trigger press ... and they don't like FRT's since they, too, increase rate of fire with a unique pull of the trigger per round sent down range. Thankfully, the definition of a machine gun is not dependent on rate of fire, and this is where the ATF will get its proverbial ass handed to it.

Rare Breed can appeal the recent decision -- and should -- as it has a solid case. It just needs an attorney who can argue it properly and follow all processes. Unfortunately, it'll probably go a lot like bump stocks if no injunction can be obtained -- i.e. ATF oversteps, a bunch of people turn things in or destroy them despite the overstep, then someone who can follow proper protocol and argue on both procedural and 5th Amendment Takings Clause grounds gets a real injunction in place ... a bit too late for Rare Breed and/or anyone who turned things in.
 
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surrealone said:
The ATF didn't like bump stocks because the human acts as a spring by way of human isometric tension in order to increase the rate of fire of single rounds down range per trigger press ..
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That wasn't the ATF. They were under orders from above for that one. The ATF even said at the time they didnt have the authority. It played out as expected.
 
wired said:
That wasn't the ATF. They were under orders from above for that one. The ATF even said at the time they didnt have the authority. It played out as expected.
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Fair enough. And to be equally fair, the ATF here is also operating on orders from above ... they just haven't been codified quite as formally as Trump's EO for bump stocks was.
 
Current case dismissed without prejudice, which means it has simply been dismissed because of a procedural issue. Nobody won/lost, right/wrong…just back to square one and Rare Breed can file the lawsuit again.

 
The order is public, anyone got a link? I’m just not inclined to listen to babble when I can read it.
 
I was doing some video editing today . One of the handy features of the youtube editor is you can see when sound impulses start and end in hundredths of a second. I was able to calculate rounds per minute based on that . Heres what I found for the RB FRT 15 with different ammo.

9mm supersonic with silencer attached 10 oz buffer blowback. 1400 RPM

300 BO 125 grain supers with silencer attached SIG Rattler 1430 RPM

300 BO 220 Grain subs with silencer attached SIG Rattler 880 RPM

5.56 55 grain wolf with 11.5" SBR and H2 buffer 770 RPM

7.62x39 wolf 123 grain with silencer 11.5" SBR 860 RPM

45 ACP 4 1/2" barrel rotary delay with silencer 840 RPM ( for reference a M3 grease gun fires 500 RPM )
 
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