Atlanta Cop Shooting

Exactly what cops should do in these cesspools.
Just go on strike. Walk off job, take off uniform, and go home and chill out.
Let a “community safety group” or whatever take over.
Being from Oakland, I am going to recommend anybody in one of these “community” groups: don’t wear any nice jewelry, watches, etc.
Because you’re going to get robbed.
 
SnowRooster said:
I look at that picture and I don’t know what movie that’s from but it’s like I have a vague memory that I’ve seen it before. You’ll have to refresh my memory.
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That's because everybody was on acid when they saw Clockwork Orange. Nobody remembers it.
 
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bigfelipe said:
You really think they will admit it? May as well tell the hood to loot the the whole county...
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No, I don't think they would want that kind of info to get out. If it is true, it won't take long for the thugs and gangbangers to figure it out.
 
Supposedly D-3 and D-6, the 2 SE Atlanta PD Districts have about 50% of patrol LEO’s as no-shows for the first part of the shift. D-5 is the main Downtown District and APD HQ ... is supposedly seeing a lot of no-shows also. But there are some LEO’s reporting for shift ... so it doesn’t sound like a complete walk out ... yet.
 
Studentofthegun said:
Not sure I agree with that. Could the officer reasonably assume that the perp would hit him with the taser and while said Officer is incapacitated, take his firearm and shoot him?
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Taser had already been deployed (twice I think) and was then basically a contact weapon.

IF he did hit the first cop with the taser and incapacitated him, I think the second officer would have been justified to shoot.

IF the guy turned and came towards him instead of running away, then I think he would have been justified to shoot.

IF he started trying to carjack a citizen, then I think he would have been justified to shoot.

IF he went full zombie and started cannibalizing a bystander, I think they would have been justified to shoot.

BUT....I didn't see evidence that any of these things happened. I saw a guy that was continuing to retreat with a non-ranged weapon (after failed deployment), that got shot in the back.

I don't think it is OK for police to use lethal force when there is no immediate threat to their lives or others (basically the same standard that you and I would have to abide to).

I totally agree that the guy had to stopped but I don't think shooting him was the only or best way to achieve that goal.

I am not saying that I would not have made the same mistake the officer made, but I would expect to be charged once I saw the video.

I do think that the DA is overcharging (especially with charging both officers) and they will both get acquitted).

I am a little shocked that folks seem unwilling to admit that the officer couldn't have made different decisions that would not have resulted in the guy "getting away" but also not ending up dead.
 
wsfiredude said:
Listening to Zones 5/6 Atlanta PD dispatch....nothing....silence.

https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/30453
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Zone 5 is downtown ... that one will be interesting. Also Zone 2 is the North Atlanta Buckhead Area which had a lot of the “high rent” areas and stores ... wonder if Zone 2 will go down at some point also?


ETA ... dumb question ... wonder just how much their police union had to do with this or was it just these LEO’s going enough is enough?
 
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SPST said:
I went to the same site. I thought I wasn't connected because I didn't hear anything either.
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Been listening for 45 minutes and have heard nothing. It’s connected, but no radio traffic at all.
 
At 10:14 pm CNN reported After some Atlanta police officers call out, mayor asks them to honor commitment to community
Hours after a fired police officer was charged with felony murder for fatally shooting a man in the back, Atlanta police officers are not responding to calls in three of the department's six zones, multiple sources within the Atlanta Police Department told CNN on Wednesday evening.

"We do have enough officers to cover us through the night," she (the mayor) said. "Our streets won't be any less safe because of the number of officers who called out. But it is just my hope again that our officers will remember the commitment that they made when they held up their hand and they were sworn in as police officers."

The mayor didn't say how many officers had called out.
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The police may feel little obligation to fulfill their oath when the city government is offering officers up as human sacrifices so the politicians can maintain favor with the mob.
 
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So a lot of the PD's have went to putting dispatch on their internal cad type systems. Not say that is the case but could explain a bunch. One of our local PD's does very little actual dispatch by radio.
 
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Wonder if this will be “contagious” and spread to other departments across the country? I kinda hope so ...
 
NEW: This statement is from the attorney representing Atlanta cop Devin Brosnan who is charged with assault in the death of Rayshard Brooks. Notably, the attorney says Brosnan has “NOT agreed to be a “state’s witness” as the DA alleged. The attorney lays out his clients side:

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1273434574094086145
 
Aardvark said:
NEW: This statement is from the attorney representing Atlanta cop Devin Brosnan who is charged with assault in the death of Rayshard Brooks. Notably, the attorney says Brosnan has “NOT agreed to be a “state’s witness” as the DA alleged. The attorney lays out his clients side:

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1273434574094086145
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So the DA lied? He’s a fraud, money laundering, ass grabbing now lying POS ... that finished 2nd in the Dem Primary but had enough votes to call for a runoff ... so he’s trying pull every vote he can thru hook or crook. Wonder how the investigation into the funneling of community funds into his salary is playing out or swept under what?
 
vp9c said:
I am a little shocked that folks seem unwilling to admit that the officer couldn't have made different decisions that would not have resulted in the guy "getting away" but also not ending up dead
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I said it, if not here on one of the other threads. They could have done a number of other things short of letting him go but the point is what they (he) did wasn't illegal under the circumstances.
 
Aardvark said:
Today Georgia Fulton County DA Paul Howard charges officer Garrett Rolfe with murder for shooting Rayshard Brooks after Brooks fired a Taser at him...

Just two weeks ago, the same DA in the Rayshard Brooks case charged officers with aggravated assault for pointing a taser at "protesters":
..."As many of you know under Georgia law, taser is considered a deadly weapon under Georgia law" said DA Howard.




Case Dismissed
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Kind of hard to unmake a case that you just made just because you are witch-hunting..
 
J R Green said:
I said it, if not here on one of the other threads. They could have done a number of other things short of letting him go but the point is what they (he) did wasn't illegal under the circumstances.
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I get that, but with all the shart that has been going down lately, wouldn't you expect a little light to go off in his head before he shot telling him that, if you pull that trigger, all holy Hell is going to break loose? The cops knew the tazer was empty and no longer a threat. I saw the video and Brooks just shot the thing over his shoulder in the general direction of the cops and continued to run. That's when he was shot in the back. If you or I did that they would put us under the jail.

Now, I can understand why the PD is pissed at the lack of due process in the way the cops were treated, and IMO they are justified, but the guy used unbelievably bad judgement and screwed up bigly, and there is no way around that.
 
Stick said:
I get that, but with all the shart that has been going down lately, wouldn't you expect a little light to go off in his head before he shot telling him that, if you pull that trigger, all holy Hell is going to break loose? The cops knew the tazer was empty and no longer a threat. I saw the video and Brooks just shot the thing over his shoulder in the general direction of the cops and continued to run. That's when he was shot in the back. If you or I did that they would put us under the jail.

Now, I can understand why the PD is pissed at the lack of due process in the way the cops were treated, and IMO they are justified, but the guy used unbelievably bad judgement and screwed up bigly, and there is no way around that.
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You can't judge their actions by what you would do. Keep in mind these cops (kids really) probably haven't been in the sh@ like you or me and can't be held to our standards. They should be held to the standards of the law though and that's where I have my issues.
 
J R Green said:
You can't judge their actions by what you would do. Keep in mind these cops (kids really) probably haven't been in the sh@ like you or me and can't be held to our standards. They should be held to the standards of the law though and that's where I have my issues.
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Well, ultimately the courts will have their say, and if he was legally justified in shooting he will probably be acquitted and get a pretty good cash settlement out of it. I said probably, because we all know how the court system is influenced by the political climate, so there's no guarantees here, and even if he is acquitted there will probably be another round of protests and urban campfires just in time for the elections.

I will still stand by my statement that the guy used unbelievably bad judgement whether he was legally justified or not. After listening to the recording it's pretty obvious that the cops were freaking out just as badly as Brooks. I don't know how long he had been on the force, but letting a suddenly violent drunk grab your taser doesn't sound like an experienced or well trained LEO to me. That being said, and in the interest of full disclosure, I have never been in law enforcement, but I would hope any cop in this day and age would have the general awareness to understand that sometimes just because a shoot may be legally justified doesn't mean it's a good idea to pull the trigger.
 
Stick said:
used unbelievably bad judgemen
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That's a pretty strong word considering a lot your peers right here think the judgement was sound. I've been in similar situations and don't think I would have handled it that way but I'm not the arbiter of what their standard should be.

The DA his self said that a Taser was a deadly weapon... or not, depending on which officers he was charging.
 
vp9c said:
Taser had already been deployed (twice I think) and was then basically a contact weapon.
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How would you know that with absolute certainty if you were in that situation? Are you willing to get into a tussle and try to remember how many times he'd shot that taser? Would you bet your life on it?

I wouldn't. Nor would I expect that of the cop.

Incidentally, are you familiar with the term auditory exclusion? It's very real. I've personally experienced it. I uncorked a 45 ACP in a room not much bigger than a closet in defense of someone else's life and never heard a thing.

Until Robocop becomes a reality, we have to consider that cops are humans and have all the biological responses to stress that everyone else has.

vp9c said:
IF he did hit the first cop with the taser and incapacitated him, I think the second officer would have been justified to shoot.
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Hard to tell from the video but that might have been what happened.

vp9c said:
IF the guy turned and came towards him instead of running away, then I think he would have been justified to shoot.
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You don't need to turn toward someone to point a weapon at them. Look at this screenshot of the video that is one second before he is shot. He's clearly pointing the taser backward as he is running. Look, if the suspect was running away and didn't point a weapon back at the cops, you'd have a point. That taser is reflecting the light so you can definitely tell he's pointing it backward.

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Let me ask you a question. If the guy had a five shot revolver and emptied the thing in the direction of the cops, are the cops supposed to count the shots and change their tactics based on the fact that the fella is out of ammo? It isn't reasonable to expect them to count how many times the taser had been used when it is being pointed at them. Especially after the massive altercation they just had.

That same District Attorney charged officers that used a taser on those people at a protest (the ones they pulled out of a car) with aggravated assault. That may imply assault with a deadly weapon, which in that case was the taser that was deployed. By that logic, the suspect in the shooting incident was pointing a deadly weapon at the cop, who may or may not have been able to determine how many shots it had left.

The DA shouldn't be using two different standards there. A taser can be a deadly weapon. Thus the shooting, in my opinion, was justified.

vp9c said:
I am a little shocked that folks seem unwilling to admit that the officer couldn't have made different decisions that would not have resulted in the guy "getting away" but also not ending up dead.
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I've not said anything of the sort and would appreciate it if you'd refrain from tying me to opinions I don't hold and have not expressed.

Of course the cop could have made different decisions. I would prefer that no one died. However, when it comes to prosecuting someone for a crime, it comes down to what one can prove. There's a very strong case that supports the officer's actions and supports the notion that he was in fear for his life.
 
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Studentofthegun said:
You don't need to turn toward someone to point a weapon at them. Look at this screenshot of the video that is one second before he is shot. He's clearly pointing the taser backward as he is running. Look, if the suspect was running away and didn't point a weapon back at the cops, you'd have a point. That taser is reflecting the light so you can definitely tell he's pointing it backward.
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As one who believes that cops should be held to the same standards as every other citizen.... I keep coming back to the principle that it’s the threat that creates the justification for the use of deadly force, and conclude that it was a good shoot. As the quote I read by a Assad Ayoob put it, “it doesn’t matter if the gun is real or fake, working or not, loaded or unloaded. It is the threat that matters.” The perp pointed a projectile weapon at someone making his intentions clear. It could have been a toy gun and the threat would still be the same.
 
Studentofthegun said:
How would you know that with absolute certainty if you were in that situation? Are you willing to get into a tussle and try to remember how many times he'd shot that taser? Would you bet your life on it?

I wouldn't. Nor would I expect that of the cop.

Incidentally, are you familiar with the term auditory exclusion? It's very real. I've personally experienced it. I uncorked a 45 ACP in a room not much bigger than a closet in defense of someone else's life and never heard a thing.

Until Robocop becomes a reality, we have to consider that cops are humans and have all the biological responses to stress that everyone else has.



Hard to tell from the video but that might have been what happened.



You don't need to turn toward someone to point a weapon at them. Look at this screenshot of the video that is one second before he is shot. He's clearly pointing the taser backward as he is running. Look, if the suspect was running away and didn't point a weapon back at the cops, you'd have a point. That taser is reflecting the light so you can definitely tell he's pointing it backward.

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Let me ask you a question. If the guy had a five shot revolver and emptied the thing in the direction of the cops, are the cops supposed to count the shots and change their tactics based on the fact that the fella is out of ammo? It isn't reasonable to expect them to count how many times the taser had been used when it is being pointed at them. Especially after the massive altercation they just had.

That same District Attorney charged officers that used a taser on those people at a protest (the ones they pulled out of a car) with aggravated assault. That may imply assault with a deadly weapon, which in that case was the taser that was deployed. By that logic, the suspect in the shooting incident was pointing a deadly weapon at the cop, who may or may not have been able to determine how many shots it had left.

The DA shouldn't be using two different standards there. A taser can be a deadly weapon. Thus the shooting, in my opinion, was justified.



I've not said anything of the sort and would appreciate it if you'd refrain from tying me to opinions I don't hold and have not expressed.

Of course the cop could have made different decisions. I would prefer that no one died. However, when it comes to prosecuting someone for a crime, it comes down to what one can prove. There's a very strong case that supports the officer's actions and supports the notion that he was in fear for his life.
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I've already said that I might have done the same thing as the officer. I also would not be surprised if I was arrested and charged after seeing the video (doesn't seem as clear cut to me as some cases where nobody gets arrested). Not sure I would be convicted (especially if it went to a jury, which would probably be hung).

wasn't referring to you directly for the last comment, but can see why it might have seemed that way.
 
How many times do you see in the news, and I think of a couple years ago in Salisbury, you let some drunk like this go because the crime is "not a big deal..." and he kills a family of four in an early morning accident.
 
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