Bad news if true.....GOEX Plant in Louisiana is closing?
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Goex has had a number of oopsies over the years. At this time, they can't get bottles for the powder. Couple that with the latest blowup and I'm not surprised. I shoot Old E, the premium level of Goex. Guess I'll have to switch to Swiss. Good thing I'm going to Winchester soon.
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It makes sense that black powder isn’t the best use of their capital. The firearms market as a whole seems to have grown substantially over the past couple years, and same before 2016, but I doubt BP has seen similar growth.
If competition prevents them from raising prices, it would make more sense to repurpose that capital into the higher demand (faster turn) products like smokeless powders.
If competition prevents them from raising prices, it would make more sense to repurpose that capital into the higher demand (faster turn) products like smokeless powders.
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Bad location? Hurricanes have not been kind to LA the last couple of years. 😳
That sure read like “we have zero interest in this business anymore and will either sell it or simply decommission it by year end.” to me.
Dang it. I don’t use enough to keep them in business, but I like to use black powder when I have the chance. Would hate to see that brand disappear.
I shoot lots of black powder these days. I used to shoot lots of centerfire stuff in IDPA, USPSA and 3Gun. The "pew pew" games have pretty much lost their appeal to me as they've become all out gear races and if you want to even have a prayer, you'll be looking for sponsorship. At my range, there's been very, very few folks out there because of the center fire ammo issues. It's fun to have the range all to myself and my merry little band of BP shooters.
As for "growth" in BP, there's been virtually none, in fact it's probably been declining as most new shooters go into pew pew cuz that's all they know or have been exposed to. Back in the 1970s, there was a resurgence of BP shooting. Lots of sorta Hawkens and "Kentuckys" were commonly available along with all the goodies necessary to shoot them. Our project in working with kids is all about changing that AND creating a groundswell of new shooters with a solid base of knowledge of marksmanship.
What pew pew types miss completely about BP is the history, the level of skill it takes to be a great shot, and the more gentile bunch of folks involved. I know a few cut throat competitors in BP, but they're really rare. I've had more fun shooting reactive targets against the clock with a musket than I've ever had on a 3G course and it cost waaaay less. And that doesn't even mention shooting artillery with live ammunition. The other BP shooters I hang with are all great folks to be around and will do whatever they can to help with a problem. We aren't reenactors, we are BP enthusiasts and that means muzzleloaders and BP cartridge guns. I have an original 1869 Rolling Block in 50/70 that's a blast to shoot. I've been having quite a bit of fun with a couple flintlocks of late. It's pretty cool to pull the trigger, keep your eyes open and on target and watch the flash/boom. And yeah, I've shot some pretty good flint guns of late. Two were assembled from Kibler kits and had one hole accuracy at 50yd.
So I don't thing Goex is going away. The military/gov contracts are worth too much money. The fact that they can't keep a plant from blowing up tells me that somebody don't know how to run a plant safely. Haven't heard that with Schuetzen, who incidentally makes arguably the best BP in the world at the moment- Swiss.
Just as @303hunter is finishing up our New 3" cannon..........................we'll find enough to Soldier On. We may have to start shooting only at Special Events.............like to signal for....cake.....or pie.....or cookies....or ice cream....or...well you know......
Just a little teaser....
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I am surprised black powder has lasted this long. The vast majority of muzzleloaders us substitutes
that are far less corrosive .
that are far less corrosive .
Not so. BP is far more forgiving than Pyrodex. Pyrodex is much more corrosive, and the fouling is abrasive. Every gun I've seen that was ruined was shot with only Pyrodex.
As far as the "vast" majority of muzzleloading shooters using a sub and saying the subs are better, I dare you to go say that on any board oriented to flintlocks, traditional muzzleloading, BP cartridge or the North South Skirmish board.
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I like 777 for my hunting muzzleloaders, but one can’t replace Holy Black for both fun and serious shooting.
Then why are they closing the factory ?
Mismanagement. They don't seem to be able to go 3 years without a KB. Schutzen doesn't have that problem for some reason. Couple that with the fact that Pyrodex is a Hodgdon brand and I'm not surprised they're ditching a competing product. Nevermind the fact that serious BP shooters despise Pyrodex and other subs
To anyone who has ever had anything to do with black powder , your last sentence explains it all.
If you value accuracy. If you care about preserving an antique arm. If you ever spent any time doing serious black powder shooting, then YOU'D understand. NONE of the subs work in a flintlock. They're marginal in a percussion arm at best.
From the tone of your post, I seriously doubt you've spent any appreciable amount of time with real black powder.
Yeah, there's always the guy who insists the subs are fine but that person can't or won't quantify accuracy and probably grocery shops at the dollar store.
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Nope , left it alone because its the most corrosive . Started shooting it in the 70s and how many people out there
do you think have those certifications you have but don't list them ?
Closing that plant don't make no sense to me. They were selling everything that could be made. Only BP items available are Hornady balls and 777, percussion caps are starting to show up now. BP supplies are short just like all the rest. If you don't believe BP ain't popular go and try to buy a $200 Hawken now.
You are so right. I did find the guns and everything needed to shoot them in Whiteville Walmart a while back.
What worries me is in the letter is talks of being sold. Turning all guns into expensive clubs and rocks is real
easy , no ammo. Who is buying it ?
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Walkabout is just following his normal contrarian tendencies. Don't feed the troll.
There are probably 10x the number of "modern" muzzleloaders sold, but I strongly suspect the traditional muzzleloaders account for 90% of the powder used. The in-lines and other modern stuff are likley dragged out of the closet and shot twice before deer season, once during and then put up for another year.
you'll never see pyrodex in these....
There are probably 10x the number of "modern" muzzleloaders sold, but I strongly suspect the traditional muzzleloaders account for 90% of the powder used. The in-lines and other modern stuff are likley dragged out of the closet and shot twice before deer season, once during and then put up for another year.
you'll never see pyrodex in these....
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Darn few. I have seen some folks who "claim" to be certified but get into the weeds on something they should know cold and it's obvious they're just a paper collector and not a legit instructor or competition shooter
You are so right there.
And I will add that a true hardcore bp shooter being flint or cap shoots real bp and patched round ball.
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My father made them. Hand carved, no power tools (other than the rough barrel channel). I have 8 of his creations. They ARE works of art. I have everything from a slender .32 cal to a 25# chunk gun made by him.
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Claude made it a accurate long range killer.