I use that every time I see that clown. Had high hopes for that guy. Boy did he get bought off fast.
Banning TikTok “Restrict Act” - Patriot Act for the internet???
I use that every time I see that clown. Had high hopes for that guy. Boy did he get bought off fast.
Yeah this is about more than TikTok. This is about government control over what you can access on your private devices. Definite Patriot Act vibes.
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Only until they shoot your dog.
I'm sure it will be weasel worded to make not wanting to be under constant surveillance and have content picked by a government agency a crime.
Unless you're Inner Party of course with unrestricted access.
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I read through the bill. It says that a foreign adversary(Russia, China, Iran, North Korea) can't have control over a platform, has to be us. Can anyone point out to me the scary part of the bill that will shut down places like rumble? Not seeing it.
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Oh look they voted themselves and their thugs more power and control. Shocking.
But why should the government have control over our choice in that? I don’t personally use TikTok, but if someone else wants to use any platform, on their own device, with their own information, that is none of the government’s business.
Same reason why the government shut down nazi radio stations during ww2.
Because China is our Adversary, and as long as we believe that China is following ideals of Fairplay and integrity, they will continue to take advantage of us.
Same reason why we're trying to pass a law that chinese companies can't own land right outside our sensitive missle bases, because of fears that they could use them to launch drones, place surveillance devices, etc.
China is using tiktok against Americans. Making what is essentially mind crack, foisting it on kids who have poor impulse control, sending all the data back to China, and letting them curate what kids see. And there's always the concern that during war they could update the app to be more malicious, like steal data or cause destructive acts.
The app isn't banned, I have a android, I can sideload whatever the hell I want on there, government can't stop me. They are banning the Chinese communist party being the eventual owner, when the layers are peeled back.
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just in time for the election; label twitter (X) and Truth Social as under “control of a foreign person or entity” (Russia for example) forcing them to sell X and Truth Social.
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All I need to know about this tiktok bill to realize is a trojan horse…..Dan Crenshaw is hell yeah for it.
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So we're getting a Ministry of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment..... What colour are the uniforms, black or brown?
Again, I posted the text of the proposed law. If it is a trojan horse, I'll be right there with you against it.
Just point out the part of the bill that's the trojan horse.
To sum up again
They can own 19%, or sell it off, but they can't have a controlling stake.
Where is the part where the US will take over and kill free speech forever?
Just point out the part of the bill that's the trojan horse.
To sum up again
As I read it, China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea can't own more than 20% of an app that has more than 1,000,000 users a month, that operates as a social media platform, or control the data and servers running it.
They can own 19%, or sell it off, but they can't have a controlling stake.
Where is the part where the US will take over and kill free speech forever?
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It's a lot easier for our own government to control what information we can have access to if they ban the foreign ones. We already know they control the MSM here, or, at the very least, the MSM placates to them and their agenda.
If you think this is about spyware or data privacy, you don't know what's going on. Tiktok is a weapon of the Chinese gov use to destroy US youth and culture.
We don't need a bill with a bunch of new BS in it that can be twisted around.
Any decent president would just ban it by executive order as a security threat to the country, which it undeniably is. If that didn't hold up in court, then a clean bill that simply bans it should replace it.
But we all know that won't happen because too much of our gov is controlled by interests that are aligned with globalism, communism, and China in particular.
We don't need a bill with a bunch of new BS in it that can be twisted around.
Any decent president would just ban it by executive order as a security threat to the country, which it undeniably is. If that didn't hold up in court, then a clean bill that simply bans it should replace it.
But we all know that won't happen because too much of our gov is controlled by interests that are aligned with globalism, communism, and China in particular.
That's the part that gets me.... These are OUR peasants!!!!!
Maybe one day we can have a CFF lunch and I can take you all through what I know. It's public knowledge. And it is in every freaking app you give permission too, They have the right to sell it.
I used to laugh at the NCIS Analyst pulling up all the phone tracing and web searches of a subject. Then I got a presentation for some "off-election season" insights to market to our customers better. Let's just say all that TV stuff is the TIP of the Iceburg.
I have to wonder, though, how does a bunch of short videos about things like the difference between a priest and pimple being the pimple waits till it’s 13 to cum in your face buy any intel for China?
Are you more concerned about spying from the CCP or NSA?
Are you more concerned about spying from the CCP or NSA?
You mean the .gov wants a monopoly on the interwebs so they can program you the way they want you to think. Kind of similar to how they want a monopoly on firearms too
This crowd they gotta be rainbow
I’m going to be the dissenter here. True gov wants access to everything you say or do and the Patriot Act secured this even if it had good intentions after 9/11. Banning the sorry CCP from access to American minds and crashing systems, I’m all for it.
Back to Chinese apps. The Chinese are at some point going to rule the world economically. There apps will speed up tracking your purchasing, price point, etc.. That’s what Google does now. Why give that to the maker of 50% of everything we need, which is made in Asian markets. TikTok is not under US regulation. I’m not in favor of foreign nations have access to our data of any kind. I’m not in favor of educating them in our universities either, nor allowing ownership of our farms, buying our corporations. Hell guys, they don’t allow it, why would we.
Back to Chinese apps. The Chinese are at some point going to rule the world economically. There apps will speed up tracking your purchasing, price point, etc.. That’s what Google does now. Why give that to the maker of 50% of everything we need, which is made in Asian markets. TikTok is not under US regulation. I’m not in favor of foreign nations have access to our data of any kind. I’m not in favor of educating them in our universities either, nor allowing ownership of our farms, buying our corporations. Hell guys, they don’t allow it, why would we.
Two easy examples:
JavaScript library updated to wipe files from Russia systems
Package used by big apps now drops anti-war text files on desktops
www.theregister.com
What if the Chinese communist party told ByteDance to push an update to overwrite the data on peoples phones and desktops/laptops that have tiktoc installed?
Here's another one. What if ByteDance used location data to determine all the phones in DC, langely, Bethesda area, maybe nsa Georgia, all military bases. You can't bring phones into a scif, but it still happens. And people working on scifs go home and talk to their family members, who might have tiktok installed. What if all the phones with tiktok in those areas had tiktok, who has access to microphone and camera, turn those on and start listening in? Or maybe just targeted, just the family of people on the House Intel oversight committees?
And I've worked with people like who you may be taking about.
I trust China, you know, the people doing active genocide and organ harvesting of their own people, who view all actions from military to economic to everyday life as an extension of the communist party and Marxist struggle, those guys, less.
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@pinkbunny I hadn’t heard of the IPC hack. To me that is interesting because most “open source” systems are run through repositories that require multiple signing keys. That one person was able to upload and distribute malicious code is a severe weakness in the system. Even for a “trusted” maintainer. I could see that for a small app, but the Java library?
Otherwise, I think the answer more lies in individual control rather than trying to blanket brute force “ban” something from the internet which is doomed to failure, or may introduce the Streisand effect.
I have some relatives that did top secret IT for the navy and they were told they had to hand over their FB log ins. At the time, I didn’t even have one, and today, it’s a dead account, but I asked, “what if I don’t have one?” (And I didn’t ). I was told, “they wouldn’t believe you”.
Otherwise, I think the answer more lies in individual control rather than trying to blanket brute force “ban” something from the internet which is doomed to failure, or may introduce the Streisand effect.
I have some relatives that did top secret IT for the navy and they were told they had to hand over their FB log ins. At the time, I didn’t even have one, and today, it’s a dead account, but I asked, “what if I don’t have one?” (And I didn’t ). I was told, “they wouldn’t believe you”.
@pinkbunny as an example of what I mean by doomed to failure, take for example the app Telegram, which I use to talk to some friends. It is largely controlled by Google, at least officially, but Google has inserted themselves as a censor and for example anything they deem as “antisemitic” even if it’s not they’ll block the app from displaying and instead put up an icon waving its finger. The answer is to download the app directly and avoid the play store.
In other words, you can’t stop the signal.
Efforts like this are doomed to fail.
In other words, you can’t stop the signal.
Efforts like this are doomed to fail.
How are they using tiktoks against Americans? I do use tiktok unlike most of the people that have posted on here. Yes there is an algorithm to find out what like and dislike then it shows you stuff like that. I follow alot of conservatives on tiktok, that's mainly what I see and it shows me news reports and happenings in America and around the world days before I see it on media, or anywhere else. It was showing coronavirus in China late 2019, I just blew it off and didn't figure it would blow up like the bs it was. I seen the "Chinese spy ballon" day or so before it became thread on here. That's what they want to stop, the spread of information and video they can't control.
When Pelosi is screaming that it needs banned, we need it, she has no love for Americans, just her pocketbook. The parents should be monitoring what the kids see and how much social media they get, parents are much to blame.
"Why HAVE we."
It's all around, they're buying everything in our country and the government is in thier control right now. 70% of tiktok is bs, but 30% tells us what many governments don't want us to know. They don't like that, that's why they want it banned.
Two easy examples:
The node IPC hack. Node.ipc was an open source Java library that was on a toooon of servers. When the Ukraine invasion happened, the the maintainer changed the code of this library, where it would check if you IP was from Belarus or Russia, and, if so, wipe the computer. It was a giant wakeup call to the open source community, because they realized how dangerous it could be to trust the code from the open-source community, this one guy killed decades of trust.JavaScript library updated to wipe files from Russia systems
Package used by big apps now drops anti-war text files on desktops
What if the Chinese communist party told ByteDance to push an update to overwrite the data on peoples phones and desktops/laptops that have tiktoc installed?
Here's another one. What if ByteDance used location data to determine all the phones in DC, langely, Bethesda area, maybe nsa Georgia, all military bases. You can't bring phones into a scif, but it still happens. And people working on scifs go home and talk to their family members, who might have tiktok installed. What if all the phones with tiktok in those areas had tiktok, who has access to microphone and camera, turn those on and start listening in? Or maybe just targeted, just the family of people on the House Intel oversight committees?
And I've worked with people like who you may be taking about.
I trust China, you know, the people doing active genocide and organ harvesting of their own people, who view all actions from military to economic to everyday life as an extension of the communist party and Marxist struggle, those guys, less.
Even if it's a "US" controlled app, what would stop china from using hackers and doing this anyway? They could setup inside the US, hack the hell out of tiktok and everything else. Who says they ain't already doing that now? 2 weeks without power and half of the USA would kill THEMSELVES off.
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Here's my read on the trojan horse "person subject to the direction or control of a foreign person or entity described in subparagraph (A) or (B)." Trump spent almost 3 years defending himself from Russian interference that the CIA and other .gov manufactured. What would prevent the CIA or other .gov entity to manufacture "control" by a foreign adversary just like it was done in 2021 and shut down any social media.
The Attorney General could make a case that a U.S. company was "subject to the direction of a foreign person or entity" from China or Russia, then the President could declare it a foreign adversary controlled applications (FACA). The company would then have to fight that determination in federal court but that will be too late to affect for example an election similar to what happen with Hunter Biden laptop that was declared Russian interference and no media beside NY Post would ouch the story.
Why not a simple Bill that focus on TikTok ownership by a Chinese company and just focus on forcing TikTok to sell to a US company? Congress deliberately want to write broader and vague bills so it can be left up to the bureaucracy (aka regulators) in charge for interpretation.
@noway2 not trying to pick on you, but if you look at a lot of these comments, you'll see why I'm bringing this up, again. I know since you're writing "ban" in quotations you don't think this is the case, but look at all the people commenting.
No matter how many times I say it, and point to the bill, people still think this bill will ban people from downloading and accessing the app. It doesn't. It bans Chinese companies from controlling the app. The app will still be allowed to exist. But people see a media byline about 'ban', don't bother to actually read the text. I swear, sheeple. It's like people with the 'don't say gay' bill. Conservatives are supposed to be the people that think for themselves and don't trust the mainstream media. You'd think that they'd actually live up to that, it's frustrating.
Now as to the FB thing. I was in those circles, too. Never had to tell them my FB login. Have some coworkers who were NSA, they didn't either. Maybe the Navy just has some weird bureaucratic rules.
@12151791 that's an interesting take, I hadn't considered it, and it could be worrying. Let me think on this:
*So, parts A & B mentioned state that it has to be either located in China,Russia,NK,Iran, or run by a citizen of CRINK.
*The part you higlighted said it can come into effect if persons controlling the app are subject to people in CRINK.
*Then it says below that this app has to have 1,000,000 users per month, so a big app.
My interpretation of this is not that this is a trojan horse trying to ban conservative media. My thought is that this was written to either limit the number of people with H1-B visas in these tech companies to non-CRINK companies, or get rid of companies having a US headquarters, but using cheap tech labor in CRINK countries.
IE, stopping things like Google or Nvidia hiring AI designers from China and then, "oh no, they just went on a trip overseas and took all our proprietary data!" Or Google having things like marketing departments in the US, but all the tech people in China where it's cheap, but also, consequently, controlled by the Chinese communist party.
That's my take on that, let me know what you think.
No matter how many times I say it, and point to the bill, people still think this bill will ban people from downloading and accessing the app. It doesn't. It bans Chinese companies from controlling the app. The app will still be allowed to exist. But people see a media byline about 'ban', don't bother to actually read the text. I swear, sheeple. It's like people with the 'don't say gay' bill. Conservatives are supposed to be the people that think for themselves and don't trust the mainstream media. You'd think that they'd actually live up to that, it's frustrating.
Now as to the FB thing. I was in those circles, too. Never had to tell them my FB login. Have some coworkers who were NSA, they didn't either. Maybe the Navy just has some weird bureaucratic rules.
@12151791 that's an interesting take, I hadn't considered it, and it could be worrying. Let me think on this:
*So, parts A & B mentioned state that it has to be either located in China,Russia,NK,Iran, or run by a citizen of CRINK.
*The part you higlighted said it can come into effect if persons controlling the app are subject to people in CRINK.
*Then it says below that this app has to have 1,000,000 users per month, so a big app.
My interpretation of this is not that this is a trojan horse trying to ban conservative media. My thought is that this was written to either limit the number of people with H1-B visas in these tech companies to non-CRINK companies, or get rid of companies having a US headquarters, but using cheap tech labor in CRINK countries.
IE, stopping things like Google or Nvidia hiring AI designers from China and then, "oh no, they just went on a trip overseas and took all our proprietary data!" Or Google having things like marketing departments in the US, but all the tech people in China where it's cheap, but also, consequently, controlled by the Chinese communist party.
That's my take on that, let me know what you think.
If "they" really wanted to do something about "China" spying, they'd toss all of the Chinese students out of colleges / universities. Trust me, they are embedded through out the higher ed systems, and have access to all the 'latest' research and future developments of literally every single thing. Same with certain industries.
But no, that would be racist, xenophobic and just downright redneck extremism. As usual.
But no, that would be racist, xenophobic and just downright redneck extremism. As usual.