Calls for boycott of Liberty Safes...

DrScaryGuy said:
Bud Light has been right about free after rebates lately.
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Bud Light was flying out the door at that convenience store in CA. Free before rebate. 😂

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DirtySCREW said:
What's the consensus on securam safe logic Xtreme emp proof safe lock?

Where's the best place to get one? My liberty safe has a s&g electronic lock. It has always been in the back of my mind and is concerning me more and more. I wanted a mechanical dial lock....but what I have was what was on sale and heavily discounted and fit my budget at the time.

How hard is it to change out a lock? @RetiredUSNChief


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Liberty safes are easy-peasy. Changing out an electronic lock for another electronic lock is as simple as it gets. Pretty much all you need is a phillips screwdriver.

Changing from mechanical to electronic is also pretty simple, just a tiny bit more to do (involving a pin removal). Add a pair of pliers to the phillips screwdriver. The footprint for the components are the same (all the holes match).

Changing from electronic to manual may be a bit more involved, depending on the brand of safe (box store brands being the worse because nothing about them is standard and may require fabricating parts...I've never done this myself). but I think it's straight forward for Liberty safes.

Changing from manual to manual is pretty simple...just gotta work with that pin in there.

Basically, if it's a major brand name gun safe they're pretty much all standardized footprints. But big box store brands aren't likely to be built to fit standard electronic/mechanical combination locks. And I'm not sure about the top-notch gun safe manufacturers, like Drake for example.

Some things to be careful about:

1. NEVER shut the safe door until the installation is 100% complete AND you've tested it. Several times. And then looked at your workmanship to be sure nothing has loosened.
2. Your safe will have a "relocker" device. Basically, it's a spring loaded locking pin that's intended to snap down into place if someone attempts to destructively damage your lock to gain access. It's dirt simple, but be sure you've properly engaged it and that the screws on the plate that holds it are snug.

Here's few videos. One is electronic to electronic, the other two are switching from one to the other.

Electronic to electronic:




Electronic to mechanical:




Mechanical to electronic:
 
Good Day Liberty Safe
Enough with the fallout
Too much interaction with the Feds.

*ederales are not in your best business interest
Until you realize this you will lose money
Cucking to the Feds just lets them run over you
Keeping lawyers on hand for this is a good idea
Empty threats met by your legal team's action is better
Don't forget this!
 
Slimer said:
Good Day Liberty Safe
Enough with the fallout
Too much interaction with the Feds.

*ederales are not in your best business interest
Until you realize this you will lose money
Cucking to the Feds just lets them run over you
Keeping lawyers on hand for this is a good idea
Empty threats met by your legal team's action is better
Don't forget this!
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Donating to anti-gunners is even less in your best business interest.
 
DeviantOllam has some good info on locks from the perspective of a professional penetration tester.

* examples of mechanical locks and how they can vary in security
* options for clearing electronic lock memory
* examples of attack vectors for various locks, expectations to set for a safe lock
* options for converting your lock to mechanical
* a little bit of legal stuff (tl;dr don't talk to the cops even if they threaten to make a mess)
* pros and cons of mechanical and electronic
* what sort of information a manufacturer has or could have
* improving your safe security with stuff like removing the serial number, adding safe monitor, ect
* why a safe manufacturer would have a backdoor code (and how they dont have to share it without a subpoena)

 
alpharius said:
Why didn't they just bust the thing open?
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Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
 
Squanchy said:
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
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Well its not *that* hard to do. All you need is a grinder tool and the right wheel. You could easily do it without causing damage to the house.

Liberty must hand these passwords out on a regular basis or why bother calling?
 
alpharius said:
That's what I'm saying.

I'm surprised the police even bothered to call Liberty. Why didn't they just bust the thing open?
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Because they would have needed a warrant for the safe if they did that.
 
alpharius said:
Ok so its a loophole that lets them look in the safe when they otherwise wouldn't be able to.
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That's what was discussed farther upstream. It is still somewhat unclear whether the warrant encompassed the safe as I've seen conflicting stuff. I would assume it did not with how Liberty reacted to the backlash. They cannot search a safe unless it is included in the warrant or a place that would likely hold what they are looking for. If they were really looking for clothes it would seem unlikely that the safe was considered an ok spot to look.
 
ChickenHawk said:
That's what was discussed farther upstream. It is still somewhat unclear whether the warrant encompassed the safe as I've seen conflicting stuff. I would assume it did not with how Liberty reacted to the backlash. They cannot search a safe unless it is included in the warrant or a place that would likely hold what they are looking for. If they were really looking for clothes it would seem unlikely that the safe was considered an ok spot to look.
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I remember reading it.

Still, it seems odd that the warrant won't let them break open the safe but getting this backdoor code is fine.

That's really no different than hiring a locksmith to pick a mechanical lock after the suspect doesn't give them access.
 
The whole Liberty Safe thing just shows that everyone involved is criminally lazy.

1. Law enforcement asks Liberty Safe for the combination to a safe. This is just stupid-lazy. LAW knowS how to Crack a Safe, how to drill a Safe and how to call a freakin locksmith. How lazy do they have to be to beg a company to give them the password instead of just breaking in?
2. Liberty Safe gives them the password. Seriously? That is lazy and stupid. People by safes to protect things. "Just say no" duh.
3. If you get a Safe, step one is "change the factory password" period. Lazy owners don't, and probably deserve less security.

law enforcement is too lazy to deserve any help. Liberty is too lazy to deserve new customers. The Safe owner is too lazy to deserve security.
Just too much lazy everywhere in this world.
 
Jakerson9 said:
The whole Liberty Safe thing just shows that everyone involved is criminally lazy.

1. Law enforcement asks Liberty Safe for the combination to a safe. This is just stupid-lazy. LAW knowS how to Crack a Safe, how to drill a Safe and how to call a freakin locksmith. How lazy do they have to be to beg a company to give them the password instead of just breaking in?
2. Liberty Safe gives them the password. Seriously? That is lazy and stupid. People by safes to protect things. "Just say no" duh.
3. If you get a Safe, step one is "change the factory password" period. Lazy owners don't, and probably deserve less security.

law enforcement is too lazy to deserve any help. Liberty is too lazy to deserve new customers. The Safe owner is too lazy to deserve security.
Just too much lazy everywhere in this world.
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Thread merged with an already existing thread.
 
some_kid6 said:
DeviantOllam has some good info on locks from the perspective of a professional penetration tester.

* examples of mechanical locks and how they can vary in security
* options for clearing electronic lock memory
* examples of attack vectors for various locks, expectations to set for a safe lock
* options for converting your lock to mechanical
* a little bit of legal stuff (tl;dr don't talk to the cops even if they threaten to make a mess)
* pros and cons of mechanical and electronic
* what sort of information a manufacturer has or could have
* improving your safe security with stuff like removing the serial number, adding safe monitor, ect
* why a safe manufacturer would have a backdoor code (and how they dont have to share it without a subpoena)

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@Jakerson9 watch this video above explains more of it from a locking perspective and is really informative even if you do not own a liberty safe.
 
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Squanchy said:
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
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To use economic terms, I feel that the FBI's Demand of PR is Perfectly Inelastic.... so in layman's terms: They don't give a damn.
 
Squanchy said:
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
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Depends on how your lawyer presents the case. Seen plenty of times a home was damaged and not paid for. One woman (can't remember where) had her lawyer present it under the clause for eminent domain. They seized and used her house to capture a criminal and they had to pay.
 
Squanchy said:
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
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I ain't no lawyer, but this seems pertinent.
According to these lawyers, if you open them, and the warrant is later invalidated, you have given consent, and you can still get in trouble; if you don't, and the warrant is thrown out, anything they find would be thrown out. However, you will not be recompensed, according to them, for any damage in opening the safe.
 
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