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What's the consensus on securam safe logic Xtreme emp proof safe lock?
Where's the best place to get one? My liberty safe has a s&g electronic lock. It has always been in the back of my mind and is concerning me more and more. I wanted a mechanical dial lock....but what I have was what was on sale and heavily discounted and fit my budget at the time.
How hard is it to change out a lock? @RetiredUSNChief
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How hard is it to change out a lock?
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Donating to anti-gunners is even less in your best business interest.Good Day Liberty Safe
Enough with the fallout
Too much interaction with the Feds.
*ederales are not in your best business interest
Until you realize this you will lose money
Cucking to the Feds just lets them run over you
Keeping lawyers on hand for this is a good idea
Empty threats met by your legal team's action is better
Don't forget this!
yep, that’s been one of the back stories. Thank you for posting and contributing. it’s appreciated.Don’t know if anybody read this. But hmmm could explain a lot
That's what I'm saying.Gun safes are like car door locks, if they want in, it’s really not that to get in either.
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PRWhy didn't they just bust the thing open?
Well its not *that* hard to do. All you need is a grinder tool and the right wheel. You could easily do it without causing damage to the house.Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
Because they would have needed a warrant for the safe if they did that.That's what I'm saying.
I'm surprised the police even bothered to call Liberty. Why didn't they just bust the thing open?
Will he then get caught using one like he did drinking Bud Light after shooting Bud Light cans?So when is Kid Rock gonna blow up his safe. Assuming he has a liberty.
Ok so its a loophole that lets them look in the safe when they otherwise wouldn't be able to.Because they would have needed a warrant for the safe if they did that.
That's what was discussed farther upstream. It is still somewhat unclear whether the warrant encompassed the safe as I've seen conflicting stuff. I would assume it did not with how Liberty reacted to the backlash. They cannot search a safe unless it is included in the warrant or a place that would likely hold what they are looking for. If they were really looking for clothes it would seem unlikely that the safe was considered an ok spot to look.Ok so its a loophole that lets them look in the safe when they otherwise wouldn't be able to.
I remember reading it.That's what was discussed farther upstream. It is still somewhat unclear whether the warrant encompassed the safe as I've seen conflicting stuff. I would assume it did not with how Liberty reacted to the backlash. They cannot search a safe unless it is included in the warrant or a place that would likely hold what they are looking for. If they were really looking for clothes it would seem unlikely that the safe was considered an ok spot to look.
Thread merged with an already existing thread.The whole Liberty Safe thing just shows that everyone involved is criminally lazy.
1. Law enforcement asks Liberty Safe for the combination to a safe. This is just stupid-lazy. LAW knowS how to Crack a Safe, how to drill a Safe and how to call a freakin locksmith. How lazy do they have to be to beg a company to give them the password instead of just breaking in?
2. Liberty Safe gives them the password. Seriously? That is lazy and stupid. People by safes to protect things. "Just say no" duh.
3. If you get a Safe, step one is "change the factory password" period. Lazy owners don't, and probably deserve less security.
law enforcement is too lazy to deserve any help. Liberty is too lazy to deserve new customers. The Safe owner is too lazy to deserve security.
Just too much lazy everywhere in this world.
DeviantOllam has some good info on locks from the perspective of a professional penetration tester.
* examples of mechanical locks and how they can vary in security
* options for clearing electronic lock memory
* examples of attack vectors for various locks, expectations to set for a safe lock
* options for converting your lock to mechanical
* a little bit of legal stuff (tl;dr don't talk to the cops even if they threaten to make a mess)
* pros and cons of mechanical and electronic
* what sort of information a manufacturer has or could have
* improving your safe security with stuff like removing the serial number, adding safe monitor, ect
* why a safe manufacturer would have a backdoor code (and how they dont have to share it without a subpoena)
To use economic terms, I feel that the FBI's Demand of PR is Perfectly Inelastic.... so in layman's terms: They don't give a damn.Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
Because the US government is a powerful criminal organization and will get a piece of everything or kill you for it?Why is there a tariff on domestic made safes?
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR
Cheaper / easier than just busting it open carefully as to not destroy the house. If something catches on fire while they are being idiots wouldn't the redcoats be responsible? At the very least it would be extremely awful PR