This place is awesome.
Where else can one go from, awe poor gun range closed up to OMG I hate that other place to the chick with shorty shorts to great mexican food all in one thread..
Denver Defense in Denver, NC abruptly closing it's doors
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This place is awesome.
Where else can one go from, awe poor gun range closed up to OMG I hate that other place to the chick with shorty shorts to great mexican food all in one thread..
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We can go here....
There was a continuation of the piling on of negativity towards PBR after DD put out their info about re-opening.
They were accommodating DD customers and helped them out by selling them ammo at cost to get back up and running. That should at least be worth a thumbs up! That is a class act for sure!
There was a continuation of the piling on of negativity towards PBR after DD put out their info about re-opening.
They were accommodating DD customers and helped them out by selling them ammo at cost to get back up and running. That should at least be worth a thumbs up! That is a class act for sure!
I wish nothing but the best for Denver Defense. As I have stated earlier, it will be an uphill battle after a sudden closing. There is going to be a trust issue with memberships from here on out.
In my opinion the range needs to make a few changes but they are cost reduction measures, not customer service related. I’m going to make more trips to shoot while they are open to help support the cause. Unfortunately shooting sports are tremendously down as is gun sales. People go eat somewhere almost every day but shooting comes when time allows.
In my opinion the range needs to make a few changes but they are cost reduction measures, not customer service related. I’m going to make more trips to shoot while they are open to help support the cause. Unfortunately shooting sports are tremendously down as is gun sales. People go eat somewhere almost every day but shooting comes when time allows.
Here now.....not all that busy.
Zero inventory, save for a few mags, some cleaning gear, a few t-shirts, some targets and a couple boxes of ammo.
@Mike Overlay - Your girl Denim Panties is still here... though I have my 6 year old daughter with me, so I most certainly didn't call her that.
Also no lane fees today.
Zero inventory, save for a few mags, some cleaning gear, a few t-shirts, some targets and a couple boxes of ammo.
@Mike Overlay - Your girl Denim Panties is still here... though I have my 6 year old daughter with me, so I most certainly didn't call her that.
Also no lane fees today.
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I know! And people are sleeping for, like, 6-8 hours a day..but cant spare 2 hours at the range? WTH??
And dont get me started on peeing/pooping time...
So, I'll try and scan the article tomorrow, but from what I gathered, the manager took it upon himself to close the store down without consent of the owners and proceeded to take all of the items to some personal storage space. Owners and ATF involved, ordered to return all items, everything returned by manager.
None of this seems to be reasonable. Owners still own it, manager is not a owner, closes store without consent, and transfers inventory to his self storage. I may be presuming but isn’t that theft?
Please do, I would like to read that!
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Wow, what a mess. What a moron.
Explains a bit about why the Range at LKN was so eager to jump on the poor customers that where "screwed"
I can't even imagine why you would hire someone to manage your range when they own 3 others. So it looks like what he did was go into contract with them and when it didn't work out try to hurt their business by shutting it down. Talk about a mess.
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3 sides to every story.....
Wow this is insane. Seriously what did he think was going to happen next? Like just take rental guns and everything is going to be ok?
Saddest part of all this is the Lake Norman location might be in peril now as well. This is weirder than anyone here could have ever imagined. Even with the value estimate that was not even remotely close how to handle it. Not my opinion, but legally. He may have given the DD owners a lifeline, though it would be a crushing blow for LKN.
Saddest part of all this is the Lake Norman location might be in peril now as well. This is weirder than anyone here could have ever imagined. Even with the value estimate that was not even remotely close how to handle it. Not my opinion, but legally. He may have given the DD owners a lifeline, though it would be a crushing blow for LKN.
I believe it's "there's two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth"
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100% true. But the objective facts in this case aren't in his favor. And "insanely" so. Just changing the passwords/cords is already past being ridiculous. Removing the rental guns is criminal. Literally felonious. This is a full sprint past the line of insanity.
On what planet did this make sense to this guy Sisson? If I were DD, I would press charges - period.
He stole things in excess of $1000 in value, which is a felony.
What a dumb b-stard.....
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Why does it matter how much inventory was left in the building when he left versus what was in the building when he came? All that matters is who actually owned that inventory. If Sissin didn’t own it, he had no right to do anything with it.
What a soap opera.
What a soap opera.
Yes I agree. It seems more facts are coming to light. First it was just DD is closing. I hadn't checked in on this thread in a few days, and now we have much more info on the subject.
No its 3 sides.I believe it's "there's two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth"
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I wouldn't darken either of Sisson's locations now just for principle.
Yeah, this article could just be DD trying to cover their own arse and telling only their side to the story. However, it sure does raise some questions regardless of what was claimed by Sisson.I believe it's "there's two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth"
One one side you got to take it with a grain of salt, especially when an article launches into all the stuff that was taken then clarifies with oh, some of it was his property. On the other, taking inventory that wasn't actually his regardless of "value", if true, is just plain ridiculous. Sounds like the ATF has a bit of a mess to wade through now thanks to these two companies not playing nice together.
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I've seen business deals go sour before, and one side decides to take its toys and go home to teach the other side a lesson. In those cases, there is usually fault on both sides, but not always.
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I’m surprised to read that they didn’t close because of a deal done in the parking lot, or that customers went somewhere else over $30.... I was led to believe that this is the real reason gun stores close
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I bet it was their lack of getting customers to fill out a bill of sale on those parking lot deals
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They were not getting dat gubmint transfer fee graaaaaavy yo!
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Interesting article from one side of the deal. If true I would have to believe a lawsuit is in order and criminal charges. I’m no lawyer but the future of Denver Defense has been tarnished for many years to come. The managing director, Mr. Sisson must be bat crazy. And he is not the only one. The owners in desperation made some bad decisions attempting to sell the business.
If true, the changing of the passwords on the HVAC system and computers, the removal of furniture, and the late night activity points to an attempt to permanently bury the viability of the operations. There is no other excuse for these actions. But I have to say this is going to be a huge backfire for Sisson’s other locations as the ATF is involved and lawyer cost will go on for years.
If true, the changing of the passwords on the HVAC system and computers, the removal of furniture, and the late night activity points to an attempt to permanently bury the viability of the operations. There is no other excuse for these actions. But I have to say this is going to be a huge backfire for Sisson’s other locations as the ATF is involved and lawyer cost will go on for years.
Again, take this with a grain of salt, but the folks I know involved in this say Mr. Watson's claims in the article are mostly BS. The bit about the ATF agent's comment is coming from Watson and not an actual ATF agent.
Supposedly DD is bankrupt regardless and they shot themselves in the foot when Sisson tried to help them out. This is Watson attempting to shift the blame to the folks that tried to help him and then he pissed them off so they left. I couldn't find out if Watson is the one owner that has been doing the shady stuff behind the other owner's backs or not though, but it sounded like he was.
Doesn't really matter now, the lawyers are involved and it will end up being a windfall for them and a loss for at least two ranges.
Supposedly DD is bankrupt regardless and they shot themselves in the foot when Sisson tried to help them out. This is Watson attempting to shift the blame to the folks that tried to help him and then he pissed them off so they left. I couldn't find out if Watson is the one owner that has been doing the shady stuff behind the other owner's backs or not though, but it sounded like he was.
Doesn't really matter now, the lawyers are involved and it will end up being a windfall for them and a loss for at least two ranges.
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Going out on a limb, well more of a branch. DD and both the LKN and Ballantyne Range will cease to exist within 12 months. Too much foolishness going on that the ATF won’t tolerate.
I'll put money on DD not being here. However, I believe all the ATF claims/statements/issues against LKN and Ballantyne are being manufactured by Watson. This dude is going to go down in flames blaming everyone but himself. I think he believes he found a scapegoat to cover his arse and he is not going to let it go.
Went to Denver Defense this Saturday before lunch and stayed two hours. Our party was three people and I only saw 5 other guest for the two hours we shot. Usually the lanes would be pretty much taken on a Saturday morning in the pre shutdown days. I did not recognize any of the staff. The inventory is gone except a few items. Place was like a ghost town with more people working than shooting which will not add up to being profitable.
The marketing they spent two years doing has been entirely wasted now. It’s a long recovery but if it was financially strapped before, they will certainly not make it under current ownership. It’s just my opinion and I hope someone succeeds as a range in that building.
The marketing they spent two years doing has been entirely wasted now. It’s a long recovery but if it was financially strapped before, they will certainly not make it under current ownership. It’s just my opinion and I hope someone succeeds as a range in that building.