Everytown Group Lies?

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Now I know this can't be true. An upstanding gun grabbing group like Everytown for Gun Safety and Michael Bloomberg inflating numbers and purposely publishing misleading information to further their agenda. Say it ain't so. :rolleyes:
I'm really surprised MSN put this on their homepage to begin with.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/brea...at-number-is-flat-wrong/ar-BBJbqgy?li=BBnb7Kz

Everytown has long inflated its total by including incidents of gunfire that are not really school shootings. Take, for example, what it counted as the year’s first: On the afternoon of Jan. 3, a 31-year-old man who had parked outside a Michigan elementary school called police to say he was armed and suicidal. Several hours later, he killed himself. The school, however, had been closed for seven months. There were no teachers. There were no students.
 
Whoops!
Looks like that Hawaii employee that pulled the missile attack lever found them-self another job at MSN.
 
Well there's lies and damn lies and that is especially true when using statistics to back up a claim with no qualifying statements or criteria. And people wonder why many don't trust the MSM anymore. It's not rocket science.
 
This story initially appeared in the Washington Post, which was almost equally as surprising.

They found so much success inflating/conflating the mass shooting data with gang-related violence and questionable behavior, why not try it again!

I can't blame them. Every group tends to present the data in a "light" that supports their beliefs and ultimate desires.
 
Remember, Shannon Watts is just your average typical stay-at-home mom ;)

Well except for the fact that under her maiden name, she's been a communications director at some Fortune 100 companies

"PR Newswire reported in December 2008: "Shannon Troughton, most recently the Vice President of Corporate Communications for WellPoint, the country's largest health insurer, announced today the launch of a new public relations agency, VoxPop Public Relations, LLC. 'My goal has always been to start my own agency because I enjoy all aspects of helping companies increase their profile while protecting and enhancing their reputation,' said Troughton, president of VoxPop Public Relations. 'My experience in government affairs, agency and corporate public relations will be put to good use for my clients, which I hope will span a variety of industries.'"

Nowhere in the newswire report was the name Watts mentioned. Prior to founding her own agency, Ms. Troughton (mommy Watts) had been a heavy hitter at WellPoint health, GE healthcare, and even evil chemical giant Monsanto.

This is no average ordinary mother of five who just coincidentally freaked out over the Sandy Hook shootings.
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In other words, a veteran lefty public-relations expert, who donated to the Obama campaign seven times, starting a well-organized, well-funded anti-gun group sounds a lot more likely than does a Susie homemaker nobody, who claims she started her anti-gun campaign with little more than a Facebook page.

https://freedomoutpost.com/shannon-watts-isnt-who-she-seems/
 
More statistics that I copied from another forum that also mentions the Everytown Group Lies

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons gun violence
3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdoseTHERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It's time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
 
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons gun violence
3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This kind of data is really interesting.

Does the "city" data exclude the 17% criminal/gang/drug?

Can you link to the site? Seems like something is "wrong" with the stats as I would expect that some of that "city" data is also criminal/gang/drug related.

I like digging deeper into this info.

Based on what I have seen we really have a poverty problem in this country not a gun problem.

Unfortunately short of all out bans and confiscations and "pre-crime" assessments of danger, shootings like the one that occurred this week won't be prevented by laws.

Freedom (Humans) is inherently dangerous, but that is extremely difficult for many folks to understand/accept.
 
This kind of data is really interesting.

Can you link to the site? Seems like something is "wrong" with the stats as I would expect that some of that "city" data is also criminal/gang/drug related.
Sorry no link - I did write in my intro that I copied the post from one of the other forums that I usually frequent (I initially copied the post onto my desktop because like you I found the data interesting and eventually posted here when I saw the evertown post) . If I have time, I will try to find the post by retracing my steps and ask your question about the link to the site that generated the data.
 
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