FFL vs private sale

RetiredUSNChief said:
If I ever do put something up for sale to one of you guys here, I'm telling you right now the terms will include you showing up in clown shoes, dressed in a school girl outfit, 5 days of beard growth, a patch over one eye, and smoking two cigars (one out of each nostril).

I don't give a squat about an FFL for an in-state sale, but if you don't show up dressed accordingly, the deal's off and I'm leaving a negative review.

The terms of the sale are the terms of the sale.
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Will Crocs suffice??
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Example...I have a military 1918 Colt pistol...I know where it went when it was issued and to what Armory Distribution Section...but once it left the Army and went into civilian hands I can't possibly "Track" it, nor can anybody else.
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some can. If it was an NRA, DCM or CMP gun or an award they can be tracked. Or left the military with papers to private or retired individual.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Sadly we live in the real world with real consequence, not some sovereign citizen fantasy land.
Here is a perfect example that happened TO ME and this is the reason I require a BOS and CCW for handguns.
I purchased new a Springfield XD from a local gun shop. After a few months I tired of it and sold it off Armslist (it was still cool then). Two years later I get a call from an assistant DA for johnson county informing me they recovered “my” pistol off a felon. Was I glad I kept the BOS with the buyer’s contact info? F*CK YEAH!
I gave the DA that info and was no further questions.
I actually did remember the person I sold it to and seemed a legit guy so I did the right thing and contacted him and let him know what went down. Apparently he sold it again to some other person.
Do what you want but don’t disparage people who have more common sense than you do.
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Do you think requiring a BOS means you have more common sense than other people?

What do you think would have happened in your account if you had not had a BOS?
Would have been arrested and hauled away for days of interrogation if you didn't know the name of the person to whom you sold the gun?
Do you think a DA would have prosecuted you because 'your' gun ended up in the hands of a felon and after who knows how many other transfers?
What crime would you have been charged with and what evidence would the DA have had to prove that crime?

Prosecutors are generally not stupid. They will not waste time trying to prove an illegal gun sale unless the illegal aspects of the transaction are glaring and the evidence is obvious - including knowingly selling to a prohibited person.

I don't know for certain, but strongly suspect many law enforcement efforts to trace guns in the possession of felons are in hopes of discovering a gun was stolen so they can pile an additional stolen property charge onto the felon.
 
Mr.Gadget said:
When it leaves CMP and hits my door it is in civilian hands correct?
They can still trace it to a civilian.

That was my point.
You kept saying no way to trace when it hits the civilian hands.
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So if you sold it to someone else without a BOS how would they track it? Are you purposely not addressing that scenario which he mentioned?
 
I’m gonna sell insurance for sellers. Call it Gym‘s private firearm sale insurace. $50 per transaction. Seller sends me a letter with the serial number and a statement that he sold the gun to someone older than 21, that showed a DL to confirm age and state of residence and that represented that they were not a felon, a user of illegal drugs or otherwise prohibited from possessing the firearm.

If the seller gets charged I’ll pay their legal costs up to $25k.

Think anyone would buy such insurance?
 
ChickenHawk said:
So if you sold it to someone else without a BOS how would they track it? Are you purposely not addressing that scenario which he mentioned?
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You would not.
But his point was when it hits civilian hands.
2nd 3rd ...... you would not in NC beyond the first set of civilian hands.

Thinking big picture and state or federal laws. Not tunnel vision.

But states that require FID card or x y z it is very easy to track.
 
Mr.Gadget said:
You would not.
But his point was when it hits civilian hands.
2nd 3rd ...... you would not in NC beyond the first set of civilian hands.

Thinking big picture and state or federal laws. Not tunnel vision.

But states that require FID card or x y z it is very easy to track.
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Does NC or SC use any of those systems? No? So why is it pertinent on a Carolina forum? Don't be obtuse just to be argumentative. You admit you knew what he was saying, but insist on belaboring the point.
 
ChickenHawk said:
Does NC or SC use any of those systems? No? So why is it pertinent on a Carolina forum? Don't be obtuse just to be argumentative. You admit you knew what he was saying, but insist on belaboring the point.
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His response was....
"Can Not be tracked once it hits the civilian market"

My point that is not correct. Cut and dry.
 
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