Fudd level

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Open carry has been discussed here ad nauseum and I seriously doubt those guys have anything new to present to me.

I think open carry is great. It definitely has its place. I understand all the negatives (shoot me first, etc.) but I'm a big proponent of being an ambassador for our cause, and that's what you are when you open carry.

We would all like to win the hearts and minds of the general public but how can that happen when we sneak around hiding everything making sure the public only sees guns in the hands of the authorities.

Take a little risk occasionally damnit and dare to show the world that normal people own and even carry guns and it's nothing to be afraid of. But please only do so when you are well dressed and sober. :)

FYI it's been a year or two since I've OC'd. Way overdue!
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There is a reason why the anti gun crowd is absolutely rabid about open carry.
 
The only way to get open carry normalized is to:

1) Get rid of the statute criminalizing carrying into posted businesses.
2) Pass a law clearly stating that retail businesses that prohibit carry are liable for any harm that comes to patrons who are victims of violence on premises

Without those two things, only those of us in rural areas can open carry without having to take the darn thing off several times a day. Too many places in the cities are posted with signs for open carry to be feasible, even for those of us who don't care about any stigma.
 
Friday said:
These guys are editors of some of the largest gun magazines in publication.
How would you rate the fudd level of this video?
1 to 10
1= No fudd
10= Maximum fudd
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Who are these guys (outside of the channel) and why should I give a rusted rat turd what they think about open carry (or the price of fries at McD’s, or chia pets, or anything else)?
 
I seldom OC any more. I did so in the past, but that was almost always because, as a "noobie" to the principled 2A crowd, it was a way of "talking back" to the crowd of Kens and Karens in Durham/Chapel Hill, where I lived. It was with an attitude of being brash, in your face, "I hope this triggers you." It was. I used to ride my moped in to my office down Cameron Blvd, directly past the entrance to Duke, with an AK slung over my back. I was new to the gun world, NOT new to deliberately triggering lefties, and relished it all.
Not so much any more. Most fringe lefties are not thinkers, anyway, and there is no chance to have a conversation even if they were motivated to discuss (or accuse). I only had a couple of comments, and they were always "are you a cop?" Now that the novelty has worn off, I didn't find that much need to oc. Nobody really cares that much. I cc pretty uniformly. I also live in an area that is EXTREMELY firearms friendly. For example, we are having what we call a "wild game dinner" at our church, and one of the door prizes given is a CC class. Most everyone has at least one firearm. It is just not a thing here. If I had a momentary lapse of reason and common sense and moved to Chapel Hill/Carrboro....., then yeah, I might OC. I just don't feel like fighting those people any more.
I have regular contact with people out here in Nash county who OC, and we have great conversations.
 
Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you have the ability to conceal or aren’t in public (on your own land, etc).

You won’t change my mind.
 
barf said:
Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you have the ability to conceal or aren’t in public (on your own land, etc).

You won’t change my mind.
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I almost always conceal because I don't want to deal with the hassles inherent to OC if I ever have to go into a posted business down in Durham or something.

With that said, I've gotta ask, as someone who lives in the South, you really don't see the benefit of not having the gun rubbing your skin all day in the summer? Those of us not built like a house can't really conceal OWB without an extra button down or other garments that aren't ideal for summertime wear. And in my local area, OC is plenty common to see, it's no big deal.
 
DuncanLempRIP said:
I almost always conceal because I don't want to deal with the hassles inherent to OC if I ever have to go into a posted business down in Durham or something.

With that said, I've gotta ask, as someone who lives in the South, you really don't see the benefit of not having the gun rubbing your skin all day in the summer? Those of us not built like a house can't really conceal OWB without an extra button down or other garments that aren't ideal for summertime wear. And in my local area, OC is plenty common to see, it's no big deal.
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I hear ya. I would personally rather be slightly uncomfortable in order to avoid everything that comes with open carry. It’s a trade off.

It’s 1000% more comfortable to open carry, but I don’t want people knowing I’m carrying and I definitely don’t want to be looking over my shoulder every second I’m in public, looking out for some snatch and grab asshole. Especially with how much crazier people are these days.

It’s a personal opinion/preference for sure. I just don’t see why anyone would choose open carry vs concealed unless they don’t have a choice. And I’m sure there are people with valid reasons for choosing open vs concealed carry, I’ve just never experienced one of those reasons.
 
barf said:
I hear ya. I would personally rather be slightly uncomfortable in order to avoid everything that comes with open carry. It’s a trade off.

It’s 1000% more comfortable to open carry, but I don’t want people knowing I’m carrying and I definitely don’t want to be looking over my shoulder every second I’m in public, looking out for some snatch and grab asshole. Especially with how much crazier people are these days.

It’s a personal opinion/preference for sure. I just don’t see why anyone would choose open carry vs concealed unless they don’t have a choice. And I’m sure there are people with valid reasons for choosing open vs concealed carry, I’ve just never experienced one of those reasons.
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I sometimes feel the same way when I open carry (usually only a couple times a year). But then again, when I first started carrying concealed, it felt like everyone was staring at me for months, when in reality, it was all in my head.

I like to go on walks around the neighborhood with my wife on summer evenings, so my choices are:

- Pocket carry my small .380
- AIWB carry my gun and sweat all over it (extremely uncomfortable)
- Halfass conceal OWB under my T-shirt and look like I have a massive alien growth coming out of my side
- Open carry

None are optimal. I usually go with the pocket gun in basketball shorts, but it bounces around and generally kind of sucks. Not to mention that I'd only have 7 shots of .380 vs an attacking dog, if that were to ever happen.
 
A firearm carried openly is probably a bit quicker to access than one that is concealed. I think that's a safe bet considering people who compete on the clock don't choose to carry the firearm concealed.

Sure, there are lots of reasons why someone would not want to open carry.

That said, the 2A doesn't say you have to conceal your firearm. If someone is exercising their right to carry a firearm, it isn't for me to say they are doing it wrong.

Unless they are using a SERPA holster. That's just wrong.
 
barf said:
Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you have the ability to conceal or aren’t in public (on your own land, etc).
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I'm not sure you stated the underlined part correctly: "Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you ... aren't in public" or "Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you ... are on your own land."

barf said:
You won’t change my mind.
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There seem to be a lot of people who are closed-minded about this topic.
 
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gc70 said:
I'm not sure you stated the underlined part correctly: "Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you ... aren't in public" or "Open carry is retarded and Fudd if you ... are on your own land."



There seem to be a lot of people who are closed-minded about this topic.
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The “on your own land” was an example of “not being in public”.

Also, as mentioned, it’s MY opinion. I don’t need to share your opinion.

It’s not being “closed-minded”, it is having my own viewpoint. Everyone is welcome to their own. You clearly open carry, and are upset that I have a differing opinion.
 
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barf said:
The “on your own land” was an example of “not being in public”.

Also, as mentioned, it’s MY opinion. I don’t need to share your opinion.

It’s not being “closed-minded”, it is having my own viewpoint. Everyone is welcome to their own. You clearly open carry, and are upset that I have a differing opinion.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I have never encountered anyone else who thought open carry was "retarded and Fudd" on a person's own land.

Declaring an unwillingness to consider changing an opinion seems to fit the definition of close-minded.

PS - you may not be as good as you think at making assumptions about people; I do not open carry and your opinion about open/concealed carry does not bother me in the least.
 
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I wonder how many of the people that routinely diss OC have ever done it? And for how long?
 
Good point.

If our state's laws were better with regard to signposting (as I laid out above), I would seriously consider OC way more often. It would be absolutely fantastic for the 2A if we could get it normalized across the state, not just in rural areas.

I'm not talking about "take your AK to Walmart to troll the leftists", but just regular old handguns in a hip holster or shoulder holster.
 
gc70 said:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I have never encountered anyone else who thought open carry was "retarded and Fudd" on a person's own land.
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I agree that's what his post technically says, but I think he meant to phrase it in a way that said it's fudd unless you are on your own land (ie. it's fudd if you are in public). I still wouldn't really agree with that, but just wanted to help clarify.
 
gc70 said:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I have never encountered anyone else who thought open carry was "retarded and Fudd" on a person's own land.

Declaring an unwillingness to consider changing an opinion seems to fit the definition of close-minded.

PS - you may not be as good as you think at making assumptions about people; I do not open carry and your opinion about open/concealed carry does not bother me in the least.
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Welp I’m retarded. I just reread my post. I meant it’s retarded unless you can’t conceal legally or are not in public.
 
barf said:
Welp I’m retarded. I just reread my post. I meant it’s retarded unless you can’t conceal legally or are not in public.
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If you retards will hold your horses, Friday is only six hours away.

😁
 
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Don’t make me post Red Foreman memes.
 
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My OC experiences:

1) j frame in my pocket. Went to Food Kitty in Carrboro. Leaving. Group,of Pavlov Pig shoe up and run into store as I’m leaving. Suspect some Karen made an mwag call.
2) Good kitty in HP, some lady on the way out says something about being honest about the damn gun. Didn’t catch the rest of it.
3) Food Kitty in Jamestown. Had an FN5-7 tucked in my pants. Clerk asked if I was a detective or something.
Discount Tire, high point, Thom asked what I had on my hip, and when I didn’t realize hat he meant, started telling me about how he carries an XYZ,
 
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DuncanLempRIP said:
Good point.

If our state's laws were better with regard to signposting (as I laid out above), I would seriously consider OC way more often. It would be absolutely fantastic for the 2A if we could get it normalized across the state, not just in rural areas.

I'm not talking about "take your AK to Walmart to troll the leftists", but just regular old handguns in a hip holster or shoulder holster.
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OC a rifle in my area will get you surrounded by cops very fast, they do not like it at all.
 
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That video shows some strong opinions. They are just opinions. I have one of those. Open or concealed, I don't care. Just have it with you, get trained and be precise in application.
 
It isn’t like it is an either or. There’s fully concealed in every way, and casually concealed that could be revealed in some circumstances and full oc.

I’m usually in the middle category, not worrying if someone happens to see that I’m carrying when I get out of my car, or bend over to pick something up.

In some states, any display gets you arrested. Let’s keep that crap out of here.
 
My only opinion in this topic also happens to be the objectively correct opinion:

Lawfully & peaceably bearing and carrying a gun is an inalienable and God given right. Open, closed, concealed, revealed, pistol in your pocket, shorty under your trench coat, nylon uncle Mike's OWB, or T1C IWB - you name it. Train yourself to be useful under stress with your proposed method of carry, and do it with intention.

Life's to short to allow carrying to be an inconvenience, don't let the opinions of others, or made up rules influence you on how and if you'll carry.
 
i do not care for the amount of attention that open carry brings to the table. I used to open carry a handgun in a OWB from time to time. Some folks would ask me questions or simply stare.
I much prefer to fly under the radar of most day to day people.
One could make an argument for how much this helps the 2A movement- based on my experience about half of my questions and interactions are positive, and the other half are not. At least half of the interactions made it clear they did not appreciate or understand I would carry a firearm into X location. Does the positive outweigh the bad ? You can answer that question yourself, but I’ve made my choice to carry concealed
 
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DuncanLempRIP said:
I sometimes feel the same way when I open carry (usually only a couple times a year). But then again, when I first started carrying concealed, it felt like everyone was staring at me for months, when in reality, it was all in my head.

I like to go on walks around the neighborhood with my wife on summer evenings, so my choices are:

- Pocket carry my small .380
- AIWB carry my gun and sweat all over it (extremely uncomfortable)
- Halfass conceal OWB under my T-shirt and look like I have a massive alien growth coming out of my side
- Open carry

None are optimal. I usually go with the pocket gun in basketball shorts, but it bounces around and generally kind of sucks. Not to mention that I'd only have 7 shots of .380 vs an attacking dog, if that were to ever happen.
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I think your issue is you assume people pay close attention to what you’re wearing and/or look like. It’s still in your head.

I regularly carry a Glock 21, or a Glock 23, or a Rock 57…plus at least one spare mag (also OWB)…in shorts and t-shirts year round.
 
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