Going to the range with a iffy coworker...
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A friend asked me to take him shooting. I'd known him quite a while and he's a solid guy. I knew he wasn't a gun guy, but he is responsible. Plus, he's a Marine Corps veteran. What could possibly go wrong?
We were shooting my 226. After the shot he would let the muzzle rise to straight up, then ride it back down to the target with his finger on the trigger. Sorry, 9mm just doesn't kick that much by itself. He'd been watching too much TV and movies.
I guess the Marine Corps doesn't qualify machine gunners with sidearms.
Later, another friend who has known him longer told me he had a ND on the range in the service.
My surprised look.
Your colleague who doesn't follow safety rules at work is a definite NO. Don't be subtle protecting his precious feelings. Tell him to take up airsoft or something.
We were shooting my 226. After the shot he would let the muzzle rise to straight up, then ride it back down to the target with his finger on the trigger. Sorry, 9mm just doesn't kick that much by itself. He'd been watching too much TV and movies.
I guess the Marine Corps doesn't qualify machine gunners with sidearms.
Later, another friend who has known him longer told me he had a ND on the range in the service.
My surprised look.
Your colleague who doesn't follow safety rules at work is a definite NO. Don't be subtle protecting his precious feelings. Tell him to take up airsoft or something.
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IF you can take him to a range that is empty of others and take a trusted shooter with you, I know...big if's, you should be able to control the situation and possible teach him about safe gun handling. I have done this for a lot of guys in the past.
BUT, bottom line is it's your tail on the line. If you don't think you can control the situation with this guy then insult him if necessary.
BUT, bottom line is it's your tail on the line. If you don't think you can control the situation with this guy then insult him if necessary.
Tell him your range requires him to take a safety course before he can go, with documentation required. Put it on him. If he'll do that, he's salvageable.
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I do exactly the same thing with a new shooter; except I shoot a 2x4 with a .22 and then ask them " did you see that" ? They respond with yes, and I ask them " what is harder, your head or a 2x4" ? They get the message really quickly. If a little .22 will take a big chunk out of a solid piece of wood, it'll certainly hurt or kill you. And, there's no calling it back once you've launched it. I like the milk jug and the 45 image, might try that sometime !
I love “good show ‘em what’s what”. another of my favorites is the myth about “a .45acp 1911 being to much gun for women or such” ... for that my 5’2” 110 lbs wife (or a few years back a 12-13 year old son) running a full size 1911 on a 6 steel plate rack. Then after a little training and practice that woman who was told she needed a smaller caliber or such goes and buys herself a .45acp (like where Millie’s heading).
Personally I’d rather take a woman or younger kid to the range ... there worst people are men who “already know” things.
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So, I just told him I did not feel safe taking him, told him why, and sent him a link to a range with a class. Take it, then we will talk...
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Sadly no, just the opposite. He’s going out of his way to be an ass about it. Making little safety comments here and there, handing off tools with two hands.
It’s all good, it’s just kind of reinforces why I didn’t want to go shooting with him.
Clearly you made the right decision. His actions show the lack of maturity that makes him a risk to others.
Eta.. Just how old is this asshat?
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“We are going to be using objects that, in some cases, are designed to cause the maximum damage to biological tissue.”
“LOL gimme der gun feggut, stahp being uh lozer!”
“Yeah...that’s no.”
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“LOL gimme der gun feggut, stahp being uh lozer!”
“Yeah...that’s no.”
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If I had known earlier on that I could, in fact, shoot a .45 1911, and shoot it well, I'd probably not have gone with the .380, as much as I love my Sig. But it's ok, I got it sorted now and I'm all set for .45s.....yay!!!
And as it happens, I'm not a small lady! LOL.
I did carry the 9mm 1911 around for a week or so before it began having regular problems, and it took some getting used to, for sure, but nobody even noticed it! You need a holster that evenly distributes the weight....and maybe some ballast on the other side....lol.
I find the recoil of the .45 to be considerably less than the snappy kick of a plastic .40, myself. A .45 gently pushes. a plastic glock, for example, rocks my hand back, and a subcompact .40 actually hurts my hands.
Crap. A friend of mine has now retired as a SSgt in SOF (green beret). He TAUGHT guys how to shoot, and his stuff with me was amazingly helpful about moving and shooting. Move shoot move, firing across your body, when to send multiple rounds even if you won't hit anything, bunches of good stuff. NEVERTHELESS, the first time we went out, I said "I am sorry Isaac. I am not trying to be a turd know it all, and you have lectured thousands of guys on precisely this, but I have to say this. Don't be upset with me, ok?
alright
1) Every gun is loaded until YOU PERSONALLY break it open, stick your finger down and feel the empty tube.
2) Never ever point your weapon at any living thing you don't want to kill
3) Never put your finger on the trigger until you have acquired your target
4) Never squeeze the trigger until you are absolutely sure where your target is, and what is behind it
5) Never "sweep" your weapon while it is pointed at anything but the ground
If you cannot abide by that, we can't shoot together. Are we good?
I then started to apologize to him again, and he stopped me and said "DO NOT APOLOGIZE. I can never hear that too much, and it actually makes me feel more secure shooting with you."
That is class, imo.
alright
1) Every gun is loaded until YOU PERSONALLY break it open, stick your finger down and feel the empty tube.
2) Never ever point your weapon at any living thing you don't want to kill
3) Never put your finger on the trigger until you have acquired your target
4) Never squeeze the trigger until you are absolutely sure where your target is, and what is behind it
5) Never "sweep" your weapon while it is pointed at anything but the ground
If you cannot abide by that, we can't shoot together. Are we good?
I then started to apologize to him again, and he stopped me and said "DO NOT APOLOGIZE. I can never hear that too much, and it actually makes me feel more secure shooting with you."
That is class, imo.
If I tried to carry my RIA 1911 Pro 40 cal doubles stack with the full underlug I would need a good belt suspenders and a knee and back brace that thing weighs a ton but it sure shoots nice
Carrying any gun depends on the support equipment. I carry a ruger p345 in a crossbreed supertuck iwb, with a Bigfoot gunbelt metal reinforced belt. No sags, good support. Makes a big difference.
Ruger p345
Weight:
29.0 oz
RIA pro match ultra 40 S&W
Weight
Unloaded
2.9 lbs / 1.32 kg
or 46 OZ add another 6 oz for 17 rounds of 40 cal and (52 oz or 3.3 lbs ) you have a LOAD its not a carry gun its almost twice as heavy as the p345
K.
My brother carries a paraordinance 14/45 in the same rig. Comes in a few oz less. Daily carry, ymmv
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had to look up the weight of the para its a load also the weight on it was 40 oz so I would guess the RIA is about 6 oz heavier I carry a RIA 191145 compact in a alien gear IWB with a blade tech belt