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Durham anti-violence worker accused of leading deputies on chase, throwing cocaine from car

WRAL Investigates has learned Jacobey Gooch is an outreach worker for Bull City United, a group funded by taxpayer dollars, aimed to prevent violent crime. Gooch was arrested March 30 in Craven County after deputies there say he led them on a chase.
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BCU is known for employing people described as "credible messengers," who have a history of gang affiliation and/or criminal histories.
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If youā€™re going to hire folks that lie with dawgs, expect them to have fleas.

Now, if drugs werenā€™t criminalized, this could have been reduced to a speeding or reckless operation traffic issue. Dollars to doughnuts says he fled because if the drugs, which lead to much greater danger. Instead of making drug use or possession the crime, make the effect of harming another because of it the crime. If he wanted to go home, snort coke, and then sleep it off, fine.
 
noway2 said:
If youā€™re going to hire folks that lie with dawgs, expect them to have fleas.

Now, if drugs werenā€™t criminalized, this could have been reduced to a speeding or reckless operation traffic issue. Dollars to doughnuts says he fled because if the drugs, which lead to much greater danger. Instead of making drug use or possession the crime, make the effect of harming another because of it the crime. If he wanted to go home, snort coke, and then sleep it off, fine.
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Throwing away perfectly good cocaine was the real crime here.
 
noway2 said:
If youā€™re going to hire folks that lie with dawgs, expect them to have fleas.

Now, if drugs werenā€™t criminalized, this could have been reduced to a speeding or reckless operation traffic issue. Dollars to doughnuts says he fled because if the drugs, which lead to much greater danger. Instead of making drug use or possession the crime, make the effect of harming another because of it the crime. If he wanted to go home, snort coke, and then sleep it off, fine.
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Have you heard of Portland, OR?

I think it's been in the news recently.
 
noway2 said:
If youā€™re going to hire folks that lie with dawgs, expect them to have fleas.

Now, if drugs werenā€™t criminalized, this could have been reduced to a speeding or reckless operation traffic issue. Dollars to doughnuts says he fled because if the drugs, which lead to much greater danger. Instead of making drug use or possession the crime, make the effect of harming another because of it the crime. If he wanted to go home, snort coke, and then sleep it off, fine.
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What if we legalized use of drugs, but made it death penalty to deal outside dispensaries, and severely limited the amount a user can buy, like enough to forcibly wean them off? I can live with that compromise. Also, death penalty for anyone caught with fentanyl, call it intent to poison/murder.
 
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pinkbunny said:
What if we legalized use of drugs, but made it death penalty to deal outside dispensaries, and severely limited the amount a user can buy? I can live with that compromise.
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You might find how the Netherlands handles drugs interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

In short, they classify drugs as either hard drugs which are likely to lead to addition, and soft drugs. While drugs are technically illegal, which is in part due to international pressure and treaties, they're not enforced, and "coffee shops" operate as local dispensaries. At the same time, they do take a hard stance against things like being under the influence of anything that impairs your ability to operate a vehicle. \

Apparently in 1998 they also implemented a heroin treatment program, which "has been lauded for considerably improving the health and social situation of opiate-dependent patients" Sounds like a big improvement and cost savings over cops, courts, and prisons, to me. The way I see it is, if you make it such that "junkies" have options other than turning to crime and black markets to feed their addiction, you take away the need to commit those crimes.
 
pinkbunny said:
What if we legalized use of drugs, but made it death penalty to deal outside dispensaries, and severely limited the amount a user can buy? I can live with that compromise.
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ā€œDrugsā€ is too vague. The highly addictive crap that destroys people, families and communities needs to stay illegal.
Weed/MJ/Dope/grass is a lot less destructive than alcohol. It should be legalized and sold from legitimate sources to help eliminate doped MJ. If not, alcohol should be illegal. Ifā€™n I recall, ~95% of domestic violence, murders, impaired driving injuries are from someone drunk. Add to that, the NC gubmint has a monopoly on liquor, shouldnā€™t they then be liable for this violence?
 
noway2 said:
You might find how the Netherlands handles drugs interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

In short, they classify drugs as either hard drugs which are likely to lead to addition, and soft drugs. While drugs are technically illegal, which is in part due to international pressure and treaties, they're not enforced, and "coffee shops" operate as local dispensaries. At the same time, they do take a hard stance against things like being under the influence of anything that impairs your ability to operate a vehicle. \

Apparently in 1998 they also implemented a heroin treatment program, which "has been lauded for considerably improving the health and social situation of opiate-dependent patients" Sounds like a big improvement and cost savings over cops, courts, and prisons, to me. The way I see it is, if you make it such that "junkies" have options other than turning to crime and black markets to feed their addiction, you take away the need to commit those crimes.
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True. Problem of course is just like socialized welfare in small European countries, what works in small(population and geography) and monoculture countries doesn't necessarily scale well to the US.

Way I see it, there's two practical solutions to the drug problem: poison or wean.
Option 1: poison the seized drug supply lethal amounts of impurities and release on the street for pennies on the dollar to kill off the drug using population
Option 2: forcibly wean off

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume the government won't do mass murder of its citizens, so we're left with option 2. Option 2 requires cutting off supply, then forcing them to get contolled and then lessening amounts from the government, to wean them off the drugs. It has the same problem of the current drug war, that of people just buying the drugs off the street instead of the government. Hence death penalty to dealers.

It'll never happen, of course.
 
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pinkbunny said:
True. Problem of course is just like socialized welfare in small European countries, what works in small(population and geography) and monoculture countries doesn't necessarily scale well to the US.

Way I see it, there's two practical solutions to the drug problem: poison or wean.
Option 1: poison the seized drug supply lethal amounts of impurities and release on the street for pennies on the dollar to kill off the drug using population
Option 2: forcibly wean off

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume the government won't do mass murder of its citizens, so we're left with option 2. Option 2 requires cutting off supply, then forcing them to get contolled and then lessening amounts from the government, to wean them off the drugs. It has the same problem of the current drug war, that of people just buying the drugs off the street instead of the government. Hence death penalty to dealers.

It'll never happen, of course.
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Are you including alcohol? You should. Do you suggest poisoning illegal moonshine to kill of the users of that drug too?
 
pinkbunny said:
What if we legalized use of drugs, but made it death penalty to deal outside dispensaries, and severely limited the amount a user can buy, like enough to forcibly wean them off? I can live with that compromise. Also, death penalty for anyone caught with fentanyl, call it intent to poison/murder.
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So still a total ban but with a song and dance
 
puregarbage said:
So still a total ban but with a song and dance
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Don't forget the mass murder, that's a big part of it, too. Remember, the hard part about mass murder is not the murder, it's the mass part. The pace you have to keep, the sheer volume of murdering.

I mean, I'm talking about mass murder and poisoning. Chances are, I'm probably being facetious. šŸ˜œ

@SPST I mean, I am a teetotaler, not sure if that was supposed to make me feel guilty or not. Sure, let's add them, too. šŸ¤£


 
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8 Felonies and a double handful of Misdemeanors, his girlfriend with the goofy name of Vanquina hanging in there till the end, and getting a slice of the penal pie, with 4 Felonies.
Dumb idiot gets out and assaults the police dog. Might as well have punched a human copšŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø
Oh, he did that in his spare time.
And our tax dollars go to these ā€œunderservedā€ idiots. Need to serve them a 600 Volt humble pie to eatšŸ¤¬
 
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