GRNC Alert: Pass Constitutional Carry on April 24

[M4gery4life]

According to Paul Valone, it was almost 7,000 petitions for HB 189.👍👍

I’m happy to see so many showed up, it was a good amount… I got to walk around to various representatives offices & chat a bit…

 

[Timfoilhat]

When I see such low numbers of participants for these events it's a little disheartening. Folks around here don't know how bad the infringement can be. In Illinois before we had concealed carry this is what our lobby day looked like. 8200 good folks showing up.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

If we could get even just 10-20% of gun owners in this state truly engaged in the process, we'd have every good law you could think of within a couple of years. Comfort and apathy are killing our society.

 

[Catfish]

It's not comfort or apathy. Some of us have jobs.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

It's not comfort or apathy. Some of us have jobs.

Like me? I have a full-time job and a family, and I went today. Certainly not saying that everyone has the ability to take off a Wednesday, but just about everyone could contribute something in their own way beyond just pulling the lever in November every couple of years for "generic GOP candidate". Having a job doesn't absolve anyone of the responsibilities of citizenship; it's not as if full-time employment is a novel burden to the average American.

To be more specific, if we could get 10-20% of gun owners in our state to give up watching college/professional sports for hours every weekend and put a small fraction of that time into fighting for their rights, we would be in a very different place. But, again, that would require sacrificing a level of comfort that most have proven unwilling to sacrifice.

 

[M4gery4life]

Like me? I have a full-time job and a family, and I went today. Certainly not saying that everyone has the ability to take off a Wednesday, but just about everyone could contribute something in their own way beyond just pulling the lever in November every couple of years for "generic GOP candidate". Having a job doesn't absolve anyone of the responsibilities of citizenship; it's not as if full-time employment is a novel burden to the average American.

To be more specific, if we could get 10-20% of gun owners in our state to give up watching college/professional sports for hours every weekend and put a small fraction of that time into fighting for their rights, we would be in a very different place. But, again, that would require sacrificing a level of comfort that most have proven unwilling to sacrifice.

Amen, I work a full time, spouse & child, but I make it a point to be where GRNC needs me because nobody else will…

I was talking to a GRNC guy today & they have nobody at the Hickory gunshow to talk to folks because it’s like 6 weekends a year & nobody wants to make themselves available to just talk to voters. 😥

Taking a day off to be where GRNC wants you, is a lot easier than taking the rest of your life off, when the government deems you a felon. 🤮🤬

 

[1075tech]

If we could get even just 10-20% of gun owners in this state truly engaged in the process, we'd have every good law you could think of within a couple of years. Comfort and apathy are killing our society.

Thousands showed up in Albany to protest the "Safe Act". Got it and worse shoved up our a**es. State gestapo confiscated toy guns and cardboard cutouts.

The state complained about damage to the capitol lawn from people walking on it

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

Thousands showed up in Albany to protest the "Safe Act". Got it and worse shoved up our a**es. State gestapo confiscated toy guns and cardboard cutouts.

The state complained about damage to the capitol lawn from people walking on it

Unfortunately, I am not surprised to hear that, given that it's New York.

That is why we need to wield power when we have it by being active, not kicking back and relaxing with a do-nothing GOP majority, waiting until communist Dems have control, and then protesting fruitlessly to people who hate us.

New York is its own animal, but Virginia is a perfect case study on what could happen to our state if we F this up. They actually had some legislative power for years, and citizens didn't get organized and show up in force until it was too late and the commies already had control.

 

[Timfoilhat]

Unfortunately, I am not surprised to hear that, given that it's New York.

That is why we need to wield power when we have it by being active, not kicking back and relaxing with a do-nothing GOP majority, waiting until communist Dems have control, and then protesting fruitlessly to people who hate us.

New York is its own animal, but Virginia is a perfect case study on what could happen to our state if we F this up. They actually had some legislative power for years, and citizens didn't get organized and show up in force until it was too late and the commies already had control.

This is key. We should be organized in advance to hold back the dam when we know the flood is coming.
I'm relieved to know we gerrymander the heck out of this state to virtually guarentee we'll have the lesser evil guys in control for the foreseeable future. But it's shifting sands with the inflow of blue state refugees (I'm one myself) and safe seats may not stay safe if population numbers change dramatically.

 

[Radar]

You also have Paul Valone calling the people he needs to support his stuff as stupid and ignorant, so yeah that kind of turns people off. Don’t get me wrong Paul is going on the right direction but threatening to primary members of the house that are widely popular with the voters really turns me off to wanting to be affiliated or associated with Paul. Also his constitutional carry push is an unclean constitutional carry bill. I guess if you get all you want at once you don’t matter anymore.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

You also have Paul Valone calling the people he needs to support his stuff as stupid and ignorant, so yeah that kind of turns people off. Don’t get me wrong Paul is going on the right direction but threatening to primary members of the house that are widely popular with the voters really turns me off to wanting to be affiliated or associated with Paul. Also his constitutional carry push is an unclean constitutional carry bill. I guess if you get all you want at once you don’t matter anymore.

@Radar You should share a link to some literature for your gun rights organization, including their list of accomplishments for North Carolina. We might be interested in joining!

If you genuinely think Paul is pushing "unclean" bills in order to secure future fundraising or something (because GRNC is such a cash cow... lol), you are either a liar or you have never spoken to the man.

Edit:
If you want to support an organization that softly fondles legislators' balls while making money and accomplishing nothing, donate to the NRA, the unsung heroes of 2023. They came in and tanked this bill, which would have negated your need for a CHP here in NC.

 

[Radar]

@Radar You should share a link to some literature for your gun rights organization, including their list of accomplishments for North Carolina. We might be interested in joining!

If you genuinely think Paul is pushing "unclean" bills in order to secure future fundraising or something (because GRNC is such a cash cow... lol), you are either a liar or you have never spoken to the man.

Edit:
If you want to support an organization that softly fondles legislators' balls while making money and accomplishing nothing, donate to the NRA, the unsung heroes of 2023. They came in and tanked this bill, which would have negated your need for a CHP here in NC.

First off I have NO gun rights organization and never said I did

Secondly the NRA is a waste of space. I think we both agree on that fact.

Third, I take a dislike to Paul for threatening to primary ( and doing so ) a great legislative member that has the support of his district AND is very 2A and is on record with such. You know who I am talking about, and I think that was all kinds of disrespectful to act like that and I lost a lot of respect for Paul because of that very act. Luckily he won his primary and is up in the general to win or lose his seat.

Finally, a clean bill is a clean bill. We should be trying to push an all or nothing clean bill in both chambers of the state government for constitutional carry. If it doesn’t pass, then there needs to be some debates on it and let the voting citizens know who feels what and how they vote. The legislators works for the people that elect them NOT their party or Party leaders. If all we can get passed is a bill that barely passes as constitutional carry then so be it. I will applaud Paul and everyone else that gets it passed without a doubt. But by calling their bluff in a vote or other forum We will know who to work against or work with to get the votes. I know GRNC has done an epic crap load of work and there is more to do….but don’t set the bar low to begin with or you are handicapping your own ability to leverage.

 

[noway2]

Paul Valone needs to learn a lesson that my dog intuits: don’t shit where you eat. His words and actions have caused mine, and I suspect,
many of us here’s support.

 

[M4gery4life]

First off I have NO gun rights organization and never said I did

Secondly the NRA is a waste of space. I think we both agree on that fact.

Third, I take a dislike to Paul for threatening to primary ( and doing so ) a great legislative member that has the support of his district AND is very 2A and is on record with such. You know who I am talking about, and I think that was all kinds of disrespectful to act like that and I lost a lot of respect for Paul because of that very act. Luckily he won his primary and is up in the general to win or lose his seat.

Finally, a clean bill is a clean bill. We should be trying to push an all or nothing clean bill in both chambers of the state government for constitutional carry. If it doesn’t pass, then there needs to be some debates on it and let the voting citizens know who feels what and how they vote. The legislators works for the people that elect them NOT their party or Party leaders. If all we can get passed is a bill that barely passes as constitutional carry then so be it. I will applaud Paul and everyone else that gets it passed without a doubt. But by calling their bluff in a vote or other forum We will know who to work against or work with to get the votes. I know GRNC has done an epic crap load of work and there is more to do….but don’t set the bar low to begin with or you are handicapping your own ability to leverage.

Not sure who you are talking about with regards to the primary, but I trust Paul’s judgement… he has been fighting this battle for 30 years.

If there is one thing I have learned talking to voters, not just conservatives but all voters, it’s that they don’t know what they think they know… they need someone like Valone to guide them.👍

I was at the legislature & a group of us went to talk to legislators & their aides, some of my cohorts were first time visitors to the process & they admitted they didn’t know as much as I did… one taught school, the other was a retired cop, they just spent so much time working they didn’t really understand the games the legislature plays.

This bill is what was possible, Tim Moore is not moving it without the cover of an alleged class.

Lest you forget, a lot of people who traditionally are on our side, refuse to back any bill without a training requirement.

This includes gun shops who offer CHP classes & are concerned about their wallet if it goes away….

This includes legislators who know they will be blasted for “OMG, people with guns and no training”…

It’s like when my child wants a desert, I’m scooping out ice cream & she says that she wants cookies… we have ice cream, you can eat it or get nothing.

 

[Radar]

Not sure who you are talking about with regards to the primary, but I trust Paul’s judgement… he has been fighting this battle for 30 years.

If there is one thing I have learned talking to voters, not just conservatives but all voters, it’s that they don’t know what they think they know… they need someone like Valone to guide them.👍

I was at the legislature & a group of us went to talk to legislators & their aides, some of my cohorts were first time visitors to the process & they admitted they didn’t know as much as I did… one taught school, the other was a retired cop, they just spent so much time working they didn’t really understand the games the legislature plays.

This bill is what was possible, Tim Moore is not moving it without the cover of an alleged class.

Lest you forget, a lot of people who traditionally are on our side, refuse to back any bill without a training requirement.

This includes gun shops who offer CHP classes & are concerned about their wallet if it goes away….

This includes legislators who know they will be blasted for “OMG, people with guns and no training”…

It’s like when my child wants a desert, I’m scooping out ice cream & she says that she wants cookies… we have ice cream, you can eat it or get nothing.

Thank you for making my point about it not being a clean bill. Because what will happen is it will pass (maybe?) with a required class to exercise our right to carry “ constitutionally” and then in some time down the road we will have to fight a new fight to get the class portion removed. Meanwhile we will have gun owners fighting to keep the class as their cash cow. GRNC WILL ask for more $ to fight that fight to remove or lighten the responsibility of a class. So this bill is plain and simple NOT constitutionally carry.
Secondly I don’t need Paul Valone to tell me how to vote. I got my own ability to decide what is best for ME as all people should. It certainly is nice to have the “GRNC guide” but it is only a reference to gauge how they are on a SINGLE isssue, albeit one of the most important ones.

 

[Toprudder]

Paul Valone has a book "Rules for Anti-Radicals" that, if you read it (I have) you realize he understands much more than most people about how the game is played among politicians. Yes, he may piss off a few politicians (he freely admits that) but the goal isn't to be their friend, it is to get their votes. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Some politicians don't vote for the leftists because they like them, but because they fear them.

As far as it being a clean bill, you have to take what you can get. If we insist on all-or-nothing, then we will get a whole lot of nothing. The left hasn't gotten to where they are by only accepting everything they want in one fell swoop. They will start out asking for a lot, but then "compromise" by accepting a little. And then a little more, etc. But it isn't really a compromise because they aren't giving up something they already have, they are only giving up some of what they want, so they get a little of what they want. We need to learn to play that game. Read Paul's book if you have not done so.

 

[Radar]

Paul Valone has a book "Rules for Anti-Radicals" that, if you read it (I have) you realize he understands much more than most people about how the game is played among politicians. Yes, he may piss off a few politicians (he freely admits that) but the goal isn't to be their friend, it is to get their votes. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Some politicians don't vote for the leftists because they like them, but because they fear them.

As far as it being a clean bill, you have to take what you can get. If we insist on all-or-nothing, then we will get a whole lot of nothing. The left hasn't gotten to where they are by only accepting everything they want in one fell swoop. They will start out asking for a lot, but then "compromise" by accepting a little. And then a little more, etc. But it isn't really a compromise because they aren't giving up something they already have, they are only giving up some of what they want, so they get a little of what they want. We need to learn to play that game. Read Paul's book if you have not done so.

No that is part of my argument we SETTLE for less. We should give no compromise. If we get something we get what is wanted. The Democrats do it all the time. The Republicans kept giving us the “vote harder next election and slip whatever/whoever some more money to help us get there”. The legislative compromising has gotten us no where. Also before anyone says well it got us PPP repealed. We had enough votes if they all voted for it to override Cooper but again they compromised on stuff to get their sheriff’s vote or whatever. I also admit I am not a Single issue voter and so as such i vote for who will impact my daily life the most. With 100% honesty constitutional carry is not something high on the list of an everyday issue for the average voter, gas, power grocery cost things like that are however.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

First off I have NO gun rights organization and never said I did

My point exactly. You're dumping on the only volunteer-run organization that has consistently fought for your rights in this state for the last three decades, and particularly on a guy who is spending his retirement fighting for your rights.

Third, I take a dislike to Paul for threatening to primary ( and doing so ) a great legislative member that has the support of his district AND is very 2A and is on record with such. You know who I am talking about, and I think that was all kinds of disrespectful to act like that and I lost a lot of respect for Paul because of that very act. Luckily he won his primary and is up in the general to win or lose his seat.

Finally, a clean bill is a clean bill. We should be trying to push an all or nothing clean bill in both chambers of the state government for constitutional carry. If it doesn’t pass, then there needs to be some debates on it and let the voting citizens know who feels what and how they vote. The legislators works for the people that elect them NOT their party or Party leaders. If all we can get passed is a bill that barely passes as constitutional carry then so be it. I will applaud Paul and everyone else that gets it passed without a doubt. But by calling their bluff in a vote or other forum We will know who to work against or work with to get the votes. I know GRNC has done an epic crap load of work and there is more to do….but don’t set the bar low to begin with or you are handicapping your own ability to leverage.

I'm not sure which particular legislator you're discussing; I'm sure Paul has called for many legislators to be primaried over the years. The primary is the only legitimate consequence that can be imposed on Republicans in safe GOP districts when they don't fight for gun rights. If GRNC called for a legislator to be primaried, I'm sure it was for a material reason, not just because Paul didn't like the shirt the guy was wearing one day.

I am genuinely confused as to why you think calling for the primarying of legislators who don't further our cause is somehow too hardline, but you're simultaneously so devoted to Libertarian party-style ideological purity that you're against a permitless carry bill that gives us some of what we want and leads to no infringements beyond what's already in place currently.

This is not NRA-style "compromise" in which we actually lose rights. It is taking what you can get, when you can get it, while giving up virtually nothing that you currently hold. If you're a quarterback with no receivers downfield, and your choice is to either take a zero-yard sack or run the ball for five yards, which one should you do? That's the situation we are in. We don't have the governorship. We can only make the legislation as strong as the weakest "yes" vote is willing to tolerate, and that means putting in a BS, unenforceable token paragraph about required training, with no associated enforcement mechanism.

I can assure you, if there was any chance in hell that we could get the requisite number of votes without the nominal training passage, then that passage wouldn't be in there without GRNC kicking up a fuss. It is in there because of weak, spineless RINOs, whose votes we unfortunately need to make forward progress.

If we had a GOP governor, then the "clean bill or bust" becomes an actual strategy, because you only need a simple majority and can write off a dozen or so RINOs in the legislature. Right here, right now, that is a pipe dream, and you can complain all you want, but you will be left with nothing to show for your complaints.

 

[P01135809]

Looks like moms demand action got top billing in this story. I appreciate the folks that showed up for GRNC

Advocates rally for gun safety measures at the General Assembly • NC Newsline

Dozens of Moms Demand Action members and advocates urges North Carolina lawmakers to address gun violence at a General Assembly event

ncnewsline.com

 

[M4gery4life]

My point exactly. You're dumping on the only volunteer-run organization that has consistently fought for your rights in this state for the last three decades, and particularly on a guy who is spending his retirement fighting for your rights.

I'm not sure which particular legislator you're discussing; I'm sure Paul has called for many legislators to be primaried over the years. The primary is the only legitimate consequence that can be imposed on Republicans in safe GOP districts when they don't fight for gun rights. If GRNC called for a legislator to be primaried, I'm sure it was for a material reason, not just because Paul didn't like the shirt the guy was wearing one day.

I am genuinely confused as to why you think calling for the primarying of legislators who don't further our cause is somehow too hardline, but you're simultaneously so devoted to Libertarian party-style ideological purity that you're against a permitless carry bill that gives us some of what we want and leads to no infringements beyond what's already in place currently.

This is not NRA-style "compromise" in which we actually lose rights. It is taking what you can get, when you can get it, while giving up virtually nothing that you currently hold. If you're a quarterback with no receivers downfield, and your choice is to either take a zero-yard sack or run the ball for five yards, which one should you do? That's the situation we are in. We don't have the governorship. We can only make the legislation as strong as the weakest "yes" vote is willing to tolerate, and that means putting in a BS, unenforceable token paragraph about required training, with no associated enforcement mechanism.

I can assure you, if there was any chance in hell that we could get the requisite number of votes without the nominal training passage, then that passage wouldn't be in there without GRNC kicking up a fuss. It is in there because of weak, spineless RINOs, whose votes we unfortunately need to make forward progress.

If we had a GOP governor, then the "clean bill or bust" becomes an actual strategy, because you only need a simple majority and can write off a dozen or so RINOs in the legislature. Right here, right now, that is a pipe dream, and you can complain all you want, but you will be left with nothing to show for your complaints.

I have noticed a recurring theme with Radar that leads me to believe he is a leftist plant, or a genuinely egotistical idiot.. he wants to think he is on par with Paul Valone…. That is like saying you are on par with Oppenheimer because you use a microwave oven.. 🙄

Toprudder & Duncan understands how things work, the expression “fight now so our kids don’t have to” aggravates me because this battle will never end until nuclear Armageddon is unleashed.

When we first got the NC CHP a program it was filled with nonsense like prohibiting carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, etc that over time we were able to cut down… but demanding “we want unlimited everything” is not tenable when many legislators are as ignorant as the “moms demand action” crowd.

Tim Moore has made it to where this bill is as good as it gets at present… right now 40% of NC residents are stuck in 4 counties with anti-2A sherrifs.. hell, the Charlotte Sheriff was at the MDA Raleigh yesterday.., 🤬🙄

This bill is essential for those 40%, and beyond that.

 

[LarrySr.]

Take a second and look at their face. A picture can tell a story. These individuals think more gun laws can actually stop gun violence. So they hide behind children.
What we really need is a "Mom's for teaching children reading, writing and arithmetic!"

 

[Radar]

I have noticed a recurring theme with Radar that leads me to believe he is a leftist plant, or a genuinely egotistical idiot.. he wants to think he is on par with Paul Valone…. That is like saying you are on par with Oppenheimer because you use a microwave oven.. 🙄

Toprudder & Duncan understands how things work, the expression “fight now so our kids don’t have to” aggravates me because this battle will never end until nuclear Armageddon is unleashed.

When we first got the NC CHP a program it was filled with nonsense like prohibiting carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, etc that over time we were able to cut down… but demanding “we want unlimited everything” is not tenable when many legislators are as ignorant as the “moms demand action” crowd.

Tim Moore has made it to where this bill is as good as it gets at present… right now 40% of NC residents are stuck in 4 counties with anti-2A sherrifs.. hell, the Charlotte Sheriff was at the MDA Raleigh yesterday.., 🤬🙄

This bill is essential for those 40%, and beyond that.

First off I know you are full of feces if you think I am a leftist plant. You do not know me nor do I care to really know you on a personal level, hair starting a fact. Flat out I want to see the “pubs” STOP compromising. Why do we have to give? If the “pubs” are so great and so powerful why are they not saying here is what we want or have passed. Here is what it says like or not. I can gurantee the Democrats if they ever get both chambers back will be doing exactly what I am saying. The “pubs” keep looking for re election after re election. yet they hand us morsels of crap to appease the voters. They don’t care about our gun rights, religious or heck any right. Giving up all the time and not standing up to the politicians as people has got us where we are. There’s not enough time in a year to discuss all the problems of the world but not standing firm and strong in your beliefs is one of them. I stand firm that I do not like Paul Valone and GRNC wanting to comprise on Constitutional carry. I respect that he has far more expertise at Raleigh than I ever will. I never claimed to have any at all, nor do I field any ill will or feelings toward anyone that feels differently than me on it. I even said above if they get the bill passed at barely able to consider it Constitutional carry then I will applaud them and be glad. I am fed up and tired of hearing we need to vote harder for gun rights then groups like GRNC/NRA…heck all of them try to put forth a compromise package that still inhibits our rights. Again I never claimed I was totally against the bill passing . I merely stated a fact that can be shown that Paul and GRNC wanted to primary out a rep that hasn’t agreed 100% with Paul on one thing despite doing the bidding of Paul to get bills brought forth. He is doing good things in Raleigh unlike other legislators that speak out of both sides of their mouth.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

Your view of how politics works is completely incoherent.

At times, you seem to recognize that many elected Republicans are rats do not give a crap about our rights, which is, of course, true. But then in the same breath you think the winning strategy is to say "100% perfect constitutional carry or nothing" to this group of people, when you literally need every single one of them to vote in your favor?

Their response will simply be "okay, then you get nothing". They won't even give it a floor vote, and they'll bury it in rules committee, so your nonsense about "at least a pure bill will tell us where each one stands!" is, once again, a complete pipe dream detached from reality. I suppose you'll start the shooting war at that point? This all seems like a strange line of reasoning from a guy who is against even simply primarying Republicans who vote against gun rights.

 

[M4gery4life]

So your complaint is that the republicans are weak, that they aren’t strong defenders of our rights? I agree with all of that.

However unless you want to actually initiate 2A protocols, the Republican Party is what we have to work with.. the Libertsrian/constitution party is a joke that only makes democrats win races.

The reality is that most folks don’t get involved in the primary process where a lot of these races are truly decided.

My wife’s family has a lot of members that will not vote in the primary & might not even vote in November, despite being very conservative leaning, church going folks. 🙄🤮

GRNC isn’t trying to put forth a compromised bill so they can demand more money later. 🤣 they are wanting HB 189 because it’s what is possible to achieve.

You keep citing some mysterious candidate being primaried, either say the name of the individual or say nothing.🙄

 

[Radar]

I am genuinely confused as to why you think calling for the primarying of legislators who don't further our cause is somehow too hardline, but you're simultaneously so devoted to Libertarian party-style ideological purity that you're against a permitless carry bill that gives us some of what we want and leads to no infringements beyond what's already in place currently.

Allen Chesser….the key sponsor of the Bill that got the PPP repealed. Then GRNc endorses Yvonne McLoud an on the record anti 2A rights person. That is point blank a bunch of disrespectful crap. The man is an ardent tried and true 2A supporter that GRNC wouldn’t support. I lost respect for GRNC because of that very reason. That makes me as a voter question the loyalties and honesty of Paul and GRNC.

 

[Radar]

Your view of how politics works is completely incoherent.

At times, you seem to recognize that many elected Republicans are rats do not give a crap about our rights, which is, of course, true. But then in the same breath you think the winning strategy is to say "100% perfect constitutional carry or nothing" to this group of people, when you literally need every single one of them to vote in your favor?

Their response will simply be "okay, then you get nothing". They won't even give it a floor vote, and they'll bury it in rules committee, so your nonsense about "at least a pure bill will tell us where each one stands!" is, once again, a complete pipe dream detached from reality. I suppose you'll start the shooting war at that point? This all seems like a strange line of reasoning from a guy who is against even simply primarying Republicans who vote against gun rights.

Show me where Cheser voted against gun rights???? I will wait…….yes I am aware there was an amendment in one committee he allowed to be added then it was taken right off and the bill was passed without it. So why does that warrant GRNC trying to promote an ANTI 2A candidate

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

Show me where Cheser voted against gun rights???? I will wait…….yes I am aware there was an amendment in one committee he allowed to be added then it was taken right off and the bill was passed without it. So why does that warrant GRNC trying to promote an ANTI 2A candidate

From GRNC-PVF:

District 25 (R): In a reversal of 2022, GRNC-PVF recommends YVONNE MCLEOD (survey: 88%, ***) over incumbent Allen Chesser (survey: 100%, votes: 100%, bill support: 50%, ***), after Chesser surprised both GRNC and other legislators with an attempted gun control amendment to the pistol purchase permit repeal.

Okay, Mr. "Clean Bill or Nothing!", now you're suddenly cool with legislators trying to strengthen gun control via sneaky committee amendments to what should have been a slam dunk GOP repeal of the Jim Crow pistol purchase permits? Are you kidding me? No wonder you didn't want to say the name.

By the way, if it weren't for GRNC, we probably never would have found about about the committee treachery, and we would only have floor votes to base our voting on. Anyone who knows the process knows that the dirty deeds usually happen BEFORE the floor vote, if the floor vote is allowed to happen at all.

 

[Radar]

Look yall do you. I applaud everyone that wants to support GRNC I truly do. I thank of yall that showed up. As for me and my money I find it dishonest and hard to support any organization that supports Anti 2A legislators over a Staunch 2A supporter. Paul and GRNC lost my respect over that action coupled with squishy the rhino.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

Look yall do you. I applaud everyone that wants to support GRNC I truly do. I thank of yall that showed up. As for me and my money I find it dishonest and hard to support any organization that supports Anti 2A legislators over a Staunch 2A supporter. Paul and GRNC lost my respect over that action coupled with squishy the rhino.

"Staunch 2A supporter" and "tries to slip gun control into a pro-gun bill via committee amendments" are not congruent.

Legislators who should be a solid vote on paper and then do stuff like that are flat-out dangerous. In many ways, that kind of last-minute backstabbing (Mitch McConnell, John McCain style politics) is a far more difficult obstacle to our cause than someone who is a known quantity but only agrees with us most of the time.

If legislators are not held accountable for such underhanded actions, they'll continue to do it.

I would absolutely rather have someone who scored in the high 80s on the survey questions, and hasn't stabbed us in the back, than a guy who checked all the boxes to score 100 but then went out of his way to stab us in the back right as we were about to taste victory.

Do you have any sources to show that Mcleod is anti-2A? Or are you just going from the 88% survey responses (provided thanks to GRNC, by the way)? Although we would generally rather see a 100 rather than an 88 on the survey, there are legislators who have perfect gun rights voting records despite scoring in the 80s-90s range on the survey. The 88% leads me to believe that Mcleod wouldn't be out there leading the way and sponsoring pro-2A bills, but at least she doesn't have a record of sabotaging the easiest Pro-2A bills on their way through committee.

 

[Radar]

"Staunch 2A supporter" and "tries to slip gun control into a pro-gun bill via committee amendments" are not congruent.

Legislators who should be a solid vote on paper and then do stuff like that are flat-out dangerous. In many ways, that kind of last-minute backstabbing (Mitch McConnell, John McCain style politics) is a far more difficult obstacle to our cause than someone who is a known quantity but only agrees with us most of the time.

If legislators are not held accountable for such underhanded actions, they'll continue to do it.

I would absolutely rather have someone who scored in the high 80s on the survey questions, and hasn't stabbed us in the back, than a guy who checked all the boxes to score 100 but then went out of his way to stab us in the back right as we were about to taste victory.

Do you have any sources to show that Mcleod is anti-2A? Or are you just going from the 88% survey responses (provided thanks to GRNC, by the way)? Although we would generally rather see a 100 rather than an 88 on the survey, there are legislators who have perfect gun rights voting records despite scoring in the 80s-90s range on the survey. The 88% leads me to believe that Mcleod wouldn't be out there leading the way and sponsoring pro-2A bills, but at least she doesn't have a record of sabotaging the easiest Pro-2A bills on their way through committee.

She has NO record of anything. She has never served in any elected position from town board, county or state. She has stated in public she didn’t think guns should be allowed to be easily accessible because kids run amuck with them. Chesser did push to get Nash County to approve a 2A sanctuary county when that stuff was popular.

 

[DuncanLempRIP]

The 2A sanctuary movement is a prime example of the kind of movement that do-nothing Republicans love. They can attach their name to it, it makes them look tough, but it changes nothing and accomplishes nothing. Go start shooting an unregistered MG in a "2A Sanctuary" county here in NC for long enough, and I guarantee something bad will happen to you.

I hadn't heard those comments before, and I would definitely like to know more about the context and exact verbiage of what Mcleod said. I will add that I don't think guns should be made easily accessible to untrained and unsupervised children, so if she was talking about 14 year old "urban youths" running around with handguns killing each other in Durham or Washington DC, then I would tend to agree.

 

[noway2]

Giving up all the time and not standing up to the politicians as people has got us where we are.

Which begs the question, why do we play this game? Why do we allow these scumbags that are the worst of humanity tell us what to do? Actually, it is worse than that, they take money from you under threat and use it to hire mercenaries to enforce their will over you and people feel good about it and even support the mercenaries. We don't need rulers. We should be paying attention to this, which has a lot of truth to it.

 

[Radar]

The 2A sanctuary movement is a prime example of the kind of movement that do-nothing Republicans love. They can attach their name to it, it makes them look tough, but it changes nothing and accomplishes nothing. Go start shooting an unregistered MG in a "2A Sanctuary" county here in NC for long enough, and I guarantee something bad will happen to you.

I hadn't heard those comments before, and I would definitely like to know more about the context and exact verbiage of what Mcleod said. I will add that I don't think guns should be made easily accessible to untrained and unsupervised children, so if she was talking about 14 year old "urban youths" running around with handguns killing each other in Durham or Washington DC, then I would tend to agree.

Yvonne deeply cares about her community and I no doubt feel like she would be better than any Democrat but I do not think she would be a voice of support for the 2A at this time. I will ask her about her views this summer when my kid takes swim lessons with her and her folks at the pool and see what she directly tells me “off the record” since she won’t be campaigning for anything.

 

[LarrySr.]

Which begs the question, why do we play this game? Why do we allow these scumbags that are the worst of humanity tell us what to do? Actually, it is worse than that, they take money from you under threat and use it to hire mercenaries to enforce their will over you and people feel good about it and even support the mercenaries. We don't need rulers. We should be paying attention to this, which has a lot of truth to it.

Never looked at it like that so it's really depressing. Makes me think we all been a fking sheep.

 

[NCLivingBrit]

Which begs the question, why do we play this game? Why do we allow these scumbags that are the worst of humanity tell us what to do? Actually, it is worse than that, they take money from you under threat and use it to hire mercenaries to enforce their will over you and people feel good about it and even support the mercenaries. We don't need rulers. We should be paying attention to this, which has a lot of truth to it.

Why?

Because noone wants to be the first one at the gallows.

 

[Dale Gribble]

Why?

Because no one wants to be the first one at the gallows.

Not really of question of “wanting” to be the first, but a willingness to potentially be the first. As long we have folks who’ll take that risk, we’re alright.

We ever get to the point where no one is willing, we’re toast…at that point, don’t really matter who is “first”, because it’s likely we’ll all get our turn.

 

[noway2]

The thing that frustrates me, and others, is that we realize that if we could just realize our collective power, we could easily throw off the yokes of oppression.Yes, it would require unsavory violence and killing of people who thought they were on the side of good, but that’s nothing compared to the return of liberty.

 

[Dale Gribble]

The thought of dying really doesn’t bother me, because it is a rock-solid guarantee and it’s eventually gonna happen to every one of us.

What does bother me, though, is being alive to see it happen to the folks I care about and not being able to do a thing to stop it; that bothers me…

and I’ll be damned.