Hard choice got that form 1 itch

My recent was a SBS. Took a shockwave 590s and put on a regular stock. May do the same with the Remington Tac 14. If I can find one at a reasonable price.
 
You sound a lot like me last year. I went 9 mm SBR and still want a 300 Blackout SBR.
 
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GaryS said:
You sound a lot like me last year. I went 9 mm SBR and still want a 300 Blackout SBR.
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Those were the two I did last year as well. I had both already built at pistols, so I just filed the paper work. Next step is to get engraving and buy stocks to replace the pistol braces. Of the two, I prefer the 300blk. It's not as small but it works better suppressed (at least for me as a lefty).
 
GaryS said:
You sound a lot like me last year. I went 9 mm SBR and still want a 300 Blackout SBR.
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This is one of the options 9mm sbr. Delay blow back ar platform or scorpion evo
Dan Wesson DWM is on the list as well but not a NFA obivously
 
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I've been toying with the idea of a 44 mag super Blackhawk Revo, 12" bbl with a shoulder stock. (Yes, they are made with a 12" bbl).
It would be fun with 44spl level loads.

Never saw one before. Yes, I know about the cylinder gap danger.
 
Djstorm100 said:
Friend said ar10 lol.

Have a few ar15 lowers would like to stay with them. Dad has a few short barrels of .223/5.56 but I have 2 sbr .223

Could get Remington pump and sbs
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AR-410 uses an AR-15 lower. šŸ˜‰

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Djstorm100 said:
This is one of the options 9mm sbr. Delay blow back ar platform or scorpion evo
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My Scorpion is always a crowd pleaser at the range when I pass her around. I had an AR9 SBR already when I got the Scorpion, but liked the Scorpion so much, I ripped the AR9 apart.


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Very nice. If I ever get around to doing another F1, its most likely gonna be an SBS. AR410 is on the very short list.
 
Slacker said:
AR 410 with slugs scares me.
What a beast
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I donā€™t believe Iā€™ve tried any, but might need to. Looks like a variety of 2.5ā€ options out there, if I can find them in stock. (2.5ā€ is the max length that will fit the mag, and not even all 2.5ā€ shells work)

Iā€™ve been using the Federal Premium 410 Handgun shells, which pretty much turns it into a 64-shot .38 firearm. šŸ¤£

15+1 shells of four 000 pellets each
 
BigWaylon said:
I donā€™t believe Iā€™ve tried any, but might need to. Looks like a variety of 2.5ā€ options out there, if I can find them in stock. (2.5ā€ is the max length that will fit the mag, and not even all 2.5ā€ shells work)

Iā€™ve been using the Federal Premium 410 Handgun shells, which pretty much turns it into a 64-shot .38 firearm. šŸ¤£

15+1 shells of four 000 pellets each
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Alternating loads of slugs and buck sounds like a very effective combination. One shot aimed and then a fast follow-up with the buck.
After all, shotguns are designed to be pointed not aimed :)
 
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And to be clearā€¦that AR-410 is not an NFA firearm as pictured, at least not right now. Itā€™s not a shotgun, rifle, pistol, etc. Itā€™s just a firearm, similar to a Shockwave. Itā€™s never had a stock, and OAL is a little over 26ā€ (barrel is ~12ā€).
 
10"- 12" barrel Ar 410 with a pinned and welded front serviceable suppressor would make an awesome home defense setup. One stamper too.
 
You guys are a bad influence on me. I might have to get into the NFA game.

I guess the easiest thing I could do is Form 1 my 12" Grendel as an SBR.
 
Most 2.5" .410 slugs are 1/5 ounce.

1/5 ounce = 87.5 grains

87.5 grains at 1600-1800fps?

That doesn't get me too excited.
I do have one particular friend who deer hunts almost exclusively with a .410 pump with slugs.
He kills a lot of deer.

But I've also killed deer with .22lr, so it's all apropos of nothing I guess. Just thinking out loud.
 

NC/SC - Benelli M-1 Super 90 NFA

That's right, I have a 14" Beretta M-1 Super 90 transferable. Comes complete with rifle stock, ghost ring sights and a Surefire forearm. Since my dad passed I've decided that without heirs this will be a headache for whoever handles my affairs. An absolute steal at $1100
carolinafirearmsforum.com carolinafirearmsforum.com

I'll g $1100.
 
Djstorm100 said:
I have that form 1 itch but I have zero ideas of what I want. Have a few AR lowers, already I could built off of but..yea. No clue what I want. šŸ˜•
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Doesnā€™t matter. Form 1 the lower and you can put any upper that will work on it with no extra paperwork.
 
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I wonā€™t be able to helpā€¦. Iā€™m deliberating some F1 builds as well.
 
barf said:
Doesnā€™t matter. Form 1 the lower and you can put any upper that will work on it with no extra paperwork.
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But the way I understand it, you have to be able to configure it the rifle as you described on the Form 1
 
Djstorm100 said:
But the way I understand it, you have to be able to configure it the rifle as you described on the Form 1
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Once. When you initially make it.
 
Iā€™m not much of an SBR fan as I favor a 16-18ā€ barrel for most applications, although a 300 blk AR or 9mm carbine such as CZ scorpion are well suited for this role. the primary practical issue for me with doing a form 1 is the gun becomes difficult to sell. Dropping $200 for a stamp to have a rifle with inferior internal ballistics, cant take out of state without permission slip and very difficult to sell. Not my thing Iā€™d rather put the $200 towards a suppressor stamp, reloading components, optics, gear.
 
92G said:
Iā€™m not much of an SBR fan as I favor a 16-18ā€ barrel for most applications, although a 300 blk AR or 9mm carbine such as CZ scorpion are well suited for this role. the primary practical issue for me with doing a form 1 is the gun becomes difficult to sell. Dropping $200 for a stamp to have a rifle with inferior internal ballistics, cant take out of state without permission slip and very difficult to sell. Not my thing Iā€™d rather put the $200 towards a suppressor stamp, reloading components, optics, gear.
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You can remove them from the registry. Only issue regarding selling it would be if you got it engraved or not. I also believe when you remove the stock it reverts to its previous configuration, allowing non-permissioned interstate travel. I would never have an investment tied to a SBR again though.
 
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You can remove them from the registry. Only issue regarding selling it would be if you got it engraved or not. I also believe when you remove the stock it reverts to its previous configuration, allowing non-permissioned interstate travel. I would never have an investment tied to a SBR again though.
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I see no reason to sell it. Just repurpose it into a non-NFA config if you donā€™t want an SBR anymore.

If itā€™s not configured as an NFA firearm, itā€™s not one. You could sell it without any NFA paperwork, with zero requirement to notify the ATF. Slap a 16ā€ upper on it and travel as you wish, or sell it as a standard rifle.

(And for the record, itā€™s never removed from the registry even if you notify themā€¦they simply add a note to the database for that serial number)
 
BigWaylon said:
I see no reason to sell it. Just repurpose it into a non-NFA config if you donā€™t want an SBR anymore.

If itā€™s not configured as an NFA firearm, itā€™s not one. You could sell it without any NFA paperwork, with zero requirement to notify the ATF. Slap a 16ā€ upper on it and travel as you wish, or sell it as a standard rifle.

(And for the record, itā€™s never removed from the registry even if you notify themā€¦they simply add a note to the database for that serial number)
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Figured they didn't actually remove it from the registry but I did not know removal wasn't a requirement for sale.
 
landmammal said:
Figured they didn't actually remove it from the registry but I did not know removal wasn't a requirement for sale.
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This used to be part of the NFA FAQ on ATF.gov:

Q: May I transfer the receiver of a short-barrel rifle or shotgun to an FFL or to an individual as I would any GCA firearm?
A: Yes. A weapon that does not meet the definition of a NFA firearm is not subject to the NFA and a possessor or transferor needn't comply with NFA requirements. The firearm is considered a GCA firearm and may be transferred under the provisions of that law.

Q: Who is responsible for notifying the NFA Branch when I transfer the GCA firearm to a FFL or another individual?
A: There is no requirement that the transferor or transferee of a GCA firearm notify the NFA branch of a transfer or that either party determine whether the firearm was previously registered under the NFA. There is no also no requirement for the registrant or possessor of a NFA firearm to notify ATF of the removal of features that caused the firearm to be subject to the NFA; however, ATF recommends the owner notify the NFA Branch in writing if a firearm is permanently removed from the NFA.


So take the idea of if itā€™s not an NFA item when itā€™s just the receiver, and apply it to not being an NFA item if it has at least a 16ā€ barrel, and the questions are still answered the same way. Recommends ā‰  required.
 
The two questions were with it as well, and are applicable to the situation.

Q: If I remove the short barrel from the registered SBR or SBS, is the receiver still subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations?
A: If the possessor retains control over the barrel or other parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm would still be subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations. ATF recommends contacting State law enforcement officials to ensure compliance with state and local law.

Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?
A: Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.

It didnā€™t do a good job of explaining ā€œunless you have another legal use for themā€ when it talks about maintaining control of the parts after a reconfig. You donā€™t automatically have to trash them. šŸ™„
 
Kinda leaning to a Evo Scorpion. and 2 lowers as .223/5.56. Figure the rest out later


Trust question, amendments don't have to lengthily or "lawyer" sound. Can just be "effective this day, X and Y have change". Get ti signed an notarized
 
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