How to Insure Power Never Goes Out

I wanted to get the Honda but I just won't use it enough to justify the price difference. The Predator only has a 90 day warranty. The Champion has a 3 year warranty. I didn't get electric start to save weight and not have to charge the battery all the time. The model I got is a 224cc OHV 4000/3500 watt inverter.
You can add a 2-year for ~$150, so 27 months total. At the 26-month mark, take it back...and pay the $150 again for 27 more months. I have two of the Predator 3500 units and will just rotate returning them. Never have one older than about 4 years that way. :D
 
When those of you that routinely run your generator as a p/m act, do you put any load on it or just run it for a few minutes?
I have little experience with it...but here’s what I do. Crank them both up every couple months and let them idle. Then grab the circular saw and plug it in. Run it a couple bursts, and then hold it down for 30 seconds or so. Not a full-scale workout for the gens, but just a little something to get them some exercise.

I have two of the 3500 Predators. I went that route for size and flexibility. My house is wired with two plugs, one for each phase. I can power the whole house minus three things:
- electric oven/range
- electric dryer
- A/C

We have all kinds of options to cook food, so #1 isn’t a big issue...
We have drying racks if we actually need to dry clothes/towels/sheets during an outage...
- gas heat if outage is in winter, whole-house fan and multiple ceiling fans if it’s in the summer...

I’ve had them for about a year and half at this point, and used them once to run the house for a day. I did take one of them to my mom’s last Thanksgiving to power the electric turkey deep fryer. :cool:
 
When those of you that routinely run your generator as a p/m act, do you put any load on it or just run it for a few minutes?
I have a 20 year old General 4400 out in the mower shed. A couple times a year while I'm mowing I roll it out and leave it running (no load) while I mow.
It has synthetic oil which hasn't been changed in several years, still tan in color with less than 20 hours runtime. I drain the tank and refill with ethanol free and add Stabil every few years.

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You can add a 2-year for ~$150, so 27 months total. At the 26-month mark, take it back...and pay the $150 again for 27 more months. I have two of the Predator 3500 units and will just rotate returning them. Never have one older than about 4 years that way. :D
you cheap bastard :)
 
you cheap bastard :)
I’m following the instructions I got from the clerk that rang me up. Even better, one of the two was bought open box, so it was a couple hundred less than normal. :p

And I have a really high tech way of keeping track...masking tape on the gen.

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You can add a 2-year for ~$150, so 27 months total. At the 26-month mark, take it back...and pay the $150 again for 27 more months. I have two of the Predator 3500 units and will just rotate returning them. Never have one older than about 4 years that way. :D

The Predator 3500/3000 inverter was $799 at HF. The Champion 4000/3500 was $569 -$589 online. Granted, the Predator is electric start but I'm not paying $200 more for that on something that I'm only going to be starting once a month.
And, I'm not going to be retuning stuff that still works just fine.
 
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I have little experience with it...but here’s what I do. Crank them both up every couple months and let them idle. Then grab the circular saw and plug it in. Run it a couple bursts, and then hold it down for 30 seconds or so. Not a full-scale workout for the gens, but just a little something to get them some exercise.

I have two of the 3500 Predators. I went that route for size and flexibility. My house is wired with two plugs, one for each phase. I can power the whole house minus three things:
- electric oven/range
- electric dryer
- A/C

We have all kinds of options to cook food, so #1 isn’t a big issue...
We have drying racks if we actually need to dry clothes/towels/sheets during an outage...
- gas heat if outage is in winter, whole-house fan and multiple ceiling fans if it’s in the summer...

I’ve had them for about a year and half at this point, and used them once to run the house for a day. I did take one of them to my mom’s last Thanksgiving to power the electric turkey deep fryer. :cool:

I'd consider getting a dehumidifier or small portable room AC. I've got a dehumidifier that will run on mine and it's good enough to couple with a fan or two to make a humid hot room just a hot room. I got the dehumidifier for free, if i didn't have that I'd certainly have gotten a small 6k or 8k btu AC unit so we could have a single cool room to sleep in.
 
The Predator 3500/3000 inverter was $799 at HF. The Champion 4000/3500 was $569 -$589 online. Granted, the Predator is electric start but I'm not paying $200 more for that on something that I'm only going to be starting once a month.
And, I'm not going to be retuning stuff that still works just fine.


Mine has electric start but the battery to do that is expensive so I start it with my electric arm and pull rope.
 
I just got my insurance against my power ever going out again. Ours went out the other day in the storms.

We are both working from home and Duke said it could be a couple of days before it came back on. Our work laptops won't go that long.

Well, I got this delivered today so I doubt my power will ever go out again! It won't run everything but I have gas hot water and stove so I just need something to run the fridge and freezer, computers, a few lights and the TV. I have a guy coming to install a transfer switch this weekend.

We have had a generator for about 12 years now. Put in a manual transfer switch. We have a small house heat/cook with gas. The only thing the generator does not run is the water heater and the large A/C window. We do have a small window A/C in the bedroom and it runs that.

I try to remember and run the genset once every three months on full load.
 
Mine has electric start but the battery to do that is expensive so I start it with my electric arm and pull rope.
Mine are supposed to have electric. The new one works, the open box one doesn’t. But the open box one also doesn’t turn off....you have to pull the side panel off.

But they both crank on the first pull. I wouldn’t worry about electric start unless it just happened to be on the unit you wanted.
 
When those of you that routinely run your generator as a p/m act, do you put any load on it or just run it for a few minutes?

Yes. You should always put load on it. Even it you just use two portable heater (one for each side of gen). All instructions that I have ever read about portable gen. sets say to run with load.
 
Yes. You should always put load on it. Even it you just use two portable heater (one for each side of gen). All instructions that I have ever read about portable gen. sets say to run with load.


I cranked mine up and used it to power the shop vac when I was cleaning out the car once. That was a good workout for it I think.
 
My Champion has electric start, but you are supposed to keep it on a trickle charger. That's too much bother for me since I don't have an available outlet in the garage where I keep the generator. Something about needing power to have power rubs me wrong. Maybe I'll feel different if I can't start the generator with the pull start cord...but even the I'd probably figure out a way to use jumper cables and a car battery in a pinch.
 
Bought a caterpiller 7500 last year and ran drop cords into the house for everything. Drop cords are a PAIN.
Had a manual transfer switch installed and immediately regreted it. While it’s wonderfull to power the whole house, I still have to drag it out, connect the cable and flip a few switches.
Hindsight says I should have gone with autoswitch and a propane generator.


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I’m following the instructions I got from the clerk that rang me up. Even better, one of the two was bought open box, so it was a couple hundred less than normal. :p

And I have a really high tech way of keeping track...masking tape on the gen.

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Oh crap. I do the same thing. Also have tape to show whether choke is opened or closed. That way I do not need to have my glasses on to start it. Old age thing
 
Bought a caterpiller 7500 last year and ran drop cords into the house for everything. Drop cords are a PAIN.
Just curious, as that was my original plan before I installed a switch at the main panel.

Were you running drop cords from the generator outside to stuff inside? Or do you have a heavy cable to run from the gen to inside, and then all your drop cords are indoors?
 
Do you run your generator in that or is it just for storage? I have always pulled mine out of its storage area that is why I ask. I was thinking about a cement block building for it.

I open both doors and let her run. I use a small fan in the summer just for more air circulation so it's not accidentally sucking in any exhaust but it has never gotten to hot with the doors open.
 
Just curious, as that was my original plan before I installed a switch at the main panel.

Were you running drop cords from the generator outside to stuff inside? Or do you have a heavy cable to run from the gen to inside, and then all your drop cords are indoors?
I ran 2 drop cords from the generator into the house. I had 3 way splitters on each cord. Each spliter feed a room or appliance, like frig or coffee maker. One feed the tv and wireless modem.

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The electric start is nice if the Mrs. is home alone or has trouble using a pull start.
 
The electric start is nice if the Mrs. is home alone or has trouble using a pull start.
I don't dare have mine start it up. She'll figure out how to kill accidentally a lineman. I keep the special cord hidden from her on purpose.
 
Well, I was wrong. Power is out again. I don't have my transfer switch installed yet but I do have power with my new generator and extension cords. Supposed to get the transfer switch installed next week, then my power will never go out again! Hopefully.
 
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Well, I was wrong. Power is out again. I don't have my transfer switch installed yet but I do have power with my new generator and extension cords. Supposed to get the transfer switch installed next week, then my power will never go out again! Hopefully.

Well crap. What part of the state do you live in with the power going out so much? I thought ours was bad here in NE N.C.
 
Well crap. What part of the state do you live in with the power going out so much? I thought ours was bad here in NE N.C.

I'm in Charlotte. My power rarely goes out. They must have been working on something else this morning. It was only out for 45 minutes.
I was out for 2 weeks back during Hugo, with no generator then!
 
When those of you that routinely run your generator as a p/m act, do you put any load on it or just run it for a few minutes?


We have a 10 kw portable. We started with a Generac 10 kw portable, and it worked perfectly. We ran it a couple of times a year (routine) with full load for at LEAST an hour. Whenever it's time to shut it down, switch the load of the house back to commercial power, then let the engine idle for a few minutes as a "cool-down" period. Then I always shut off the gas shutoff valve, and let the engine use up whatever gas is in the line and carburetor bowl. The engine always RUNS OUT OF GAS! That way, even if the gas in the tank fouls, everything from the shutoff valve through the carburetor is clean. We use ethanol gasoline with no problems.

One year we lost power for just about a week. I was still working at the time. I'd get up every morning around 5:30 - 6 am to start the generator, and power the house. I had hot water and lights to get ready for work. Before I left in the morning I'd make sure the gas tank was full. My wife stayed at home, so the generator ran for her. I'd come home for lunch and top off the gas tank, and it ran all afternoon. I'd come home at 5 pm, and top off the tank again, and the generator continued to run until we went to bed around 11:30, at which time, I'd shut off the gas valve, and let it run out of gas. This went on for just about a week. We were the only house on the mountain that was lit up... Since then, there are several more generators on the mountain.

After several years, the generator accumulated 135 hours on it, and the bearing in the end of the generator started making a racket. Not always, but every now and then. I called Generac, and asked for an authorized repair dealer, because the place we bought it from has long since gone out of business. Also, Briggs & Stratton bought out the entire Generac portable generator line. Generac recommended 2 different small engine repair shops locally, and I had already been to the first one, but they were ENGINE specialists, not GENERATOR. So we made the mistake of taking it to the second guy. The generator worked perfectly, and he listened to it run, and said the bearing was a simple fix, but he was real busy. We left it with him, and he said he'd work on it when he had the time, and let me know when it was ready. He had it for almost 2 months, and finally called and told me it was ready. $185.00 to change the bearing in the generator. I started it up, and it would only idle. It has the auto-load sensing circuit, that if the load goes away, the generator falls back to an idle until it senses the load is back. It also has an over-ride switch that will force the generator to run at full speed (3600 rpm) all the time. He assured me that he tested everything before he put it all back together, and everything was fine, and probably a wire just fell off during the reassembly process. We left it with him again, and he would let us know when it was ready to be picked up. After another month I called him to find out what's with my generator. During that last month, we had a storm come through, and lots of folks lost power. Fortunately, we didn't. When I called him, he said I should come in to pick up my generator because it was fried, and there was nothing he could do with it. He said I hooked it up wrong and fried the generator. I told him it was working perfectly when I dropped it off to have a simple BEARING changed. He said it never worked. I reminded him that he swore that he tested it fine before he put it back together the first time, so how could he have tested it if it was fried? He changed is story about testing it the first time he called me and now he swore it never worked. I picked up the generator, and I looked him straight in the eye and told him, "Both you and I know the truth, and so does the Lord. You and I both know that YOU tried to use this generator during the last storm, and YOU fried it. In my opinion, you're not worth my time or effort to get upset with you. I'm just going to let the good Lord deal with you in his own way. You will pay for this one way or another, and you can turn to the Lord when he collects his due." He would not look me in the eye when I left.

Bottom line, the stator winding was shorted to ground, and there were only 3 windings for that generator in the country. At $800.00, if I chose to fix it, I'd still have a 20 year old generator for which parts are no longer made. It was recommended by another local engine repair shop to replace it with a new Briggs & Stratton 10 kw generator, which is basically the exact same generator made by Briggs. This other local guy felt that since I already got a raw deal from this other idiot, he gave me the name and number of the supplier from which he would order it. He told me to order it myself, and that would save me whatever he would have to charge for being the middle man. That saved me his shipping and commission, which amounted to almost $250.00.

I bought the new generator, and it runs every bit as well as the old Generac. I still run it under full load whenever I run it, and always shut off the gas shutoff after the cool-down time, and let it run out of gas. I can run the entire house, including the air conditioner. We have well water, so the generator is almost a necessity.
 
We have a power substation two streets behind my house. This morning getting ready to go to work, the power blinked for a second and BOOM! I am assuming one of the transformers is no longer part of this world. Power came right back on though so kudos for the power company having switching.
 
I worked for the telephone company for almost 44 and a half years. The central offices all run on 48 VDC which is supplied by strings of massive wet-cell batteries. The batteries are constantly being charged by massive charging plants. We use solid copper BARS to connect all of the battery strings and chargers together. It's only 48 v, but it's like 2400 amps. If we lose commercial power, the only thing that stops is the charging of the batteries. The office equipment never knows the difference because it is always powered by the BATTERIES. There's no switch-over, or flicker, or studder. The batteries are engineered to run the office for 8 hours. That gives us 8 hours to get a generator running to start charging the batteries again. Every office has an auto-start generator, so if everything works, we're only running strictly on batteries for around 2 or three minutes.

That brings me to my point. All of our generators are diesel powered. Well, in one office I worked in in Florida, we had 2 turbine-powered 100 kw units. They were cool. each one was 100 kw, and was powered by a turbine (jet) engine about the size of a 3.5L v-6 engine in my wife's Taurus. The last diesel generator we had replaced was an old Cummins 16 cyl. 120 kw unit to a brand new 270 kw. We always ran our generators once a month, for EIGHT HOURS under FULL LOAD. I was always told that a diesel loves to run, and run hard. Load it up and let it run. Then they changed the practice to running them every other week for only ONE HOUR. That's how they were running them when I retired, over 10 years ago. I was always told that you do more damage to a diesel if you don't let it run at full temperature, under full load. In one hour, the engine barely gets settled in running under load, when they shut it down.

By the time I left, they automated routine runs so they could remotely start and transfer the load from one central center. They installed telemetry, so they could monitor all the gauges, and run the entire system as if they were physically standing at the generator, manually operating switches and taking readings.

I still like to run my own generator under full load, for at LEAST an hour. It's a Briggs & Stratton, two-cylinder, 20 hp Vangard series engine. 10 kw portable. Runs like a dream, and I want to keep it that way. I made my own cable to connect the generator back to the breaker box. It's 3 conductor, braided, and each conductor is 1/0 gauge. Pretty heavy stuff...
 
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