Hyundai gives up on ICE. shuts down development

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It makes sense that mfg’s, especially those who make small vehicles, would cease internal combustion development considering the MPG requirements and phasing out of ICE in different countries.
Hyundai already has really good MPGs so they can get by for a few years without any major improvements.
 
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But the "change" is not a natural market driven shift.
It is driven by watermelons who are pretending to care about the environment.
Their agenda is control and making private car ownership far too expensive the masses.
There will never be an EV with a 300 mile range that is the price of a Hyundai Accent. Used ICE powered cars are going to skyrocket in price.
My prediction is that before any of the EV mandates hits, they will be repealed.

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fishgutzy said:
But the "change" is not a natural market driven shift.
It is driven by watermelons who are pretending to care about the environment.
Their agenda is control and making private car ownership far too expensive the masses.
There will never be an EV with a 300 mile range that is the price of a Hyundai Accent. Used ICE powered cars are going to skyrocket in price.
My prediction is that before any of the EV mandates hits, they will be repealed.

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^^^^ This + the wonderful thing about business and consumption.

"There would be no opportunities in business if developed companies never made mistakes"
 
Lesson learned from the Obama years. Manufacturers can only get extensions on the inevitable. Hybrids are kicking ass and Telsa has set a new bar.
 
There is an assumption that battery tech will continue to improve at rates seen recently. From what I read, that will not happen. Batteries will become less energy dense as alternatives to rare elements are needed. This won’t be a problem in countries that have robust rail as an alternative for longer distance travel, but it will be tougher in the US and tourism will take a hit as travel ranges decrease. Too many people think that the infrastructure spending will lead to more rail, but they don’t understand just how much/how long that will take.
 
Meh.

They shut down new engine development.

Anybody seriously think there's a lot of "new engine development" required for them to stay in business after all these decades?

They've got plenty of engines designed for their vehicles.
 
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Too many people think that the infrastructure spending will lead to more rail, but they don’t understand just how much/how long that will take.
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Nor how much private property will have to be taken by the gov't.
Americans correctly view privately owned motorized vehicles as freedom. The affordability means people, regardless income, have more freedom of movement in the US than any other country.
Boston has a gov't transportation. But one doesn't have the freedom to choose not to live in Boston if one works there unless one owns a car. And vise versa.
I lived in Boston and worked in Lowell. Too 50-60 minutes to drive each way. But gov't transportation took 2 to 3 hours each way.
Big Gov't pols don't want the masses to be able to move around as we choose. Some, like AOC, are quite open about this.
When dem voters finally realize this, they will reject it. D voters only want to take other people's money and freedom while not sacrificing their own.

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fishgutzy said:
Big Gov't pols don't want the masses to be able to move around as we choose. Some, like AOC, are quite open about this.
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Hmm... They want to keep the serfs on the specific Lands.... Sounds like something that this Country was founded DIRECTLY in defiance of such an act.

That @fishgutzy, is one helluva point that doesn't get said enough!
 
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When dem voters finally realize this, they will reject it. D voters only want to take other people's money and freedom while not sacrificing their own.
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No. They will NOT reject this because of (reasons).

They will not reject this because "climate change".

They will not reject this because "greater good".

They will not reject this because "their political representatives told them to accept it".

They will not reject this because "evil conservative opponents don't want it".

They will not reject this because "racism".

They will not reject this and they will ostracize any among them who does.

Take a good, hard look around you at all the BS things they've pushed successfully and all the BS things they've attempted to push unsuccessfully. Then see how many democrats have stood up and said "HEY! THIS IS HORSE MANURE! BACK THE F*** OFF, YOU RAGING COMMUNIST MANIACS!"


No, what you are going to get is a whole lot of democrat constituents saying "Mmmmm, goooood! Can I have some more of that delicious Kool-Aid?"
 
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I remember when gas prices first started soaring under Dubya that the ceo of Ford said, “we’re going to sop building big cars and trucks because Americans want small cars that get good mileage”. o_O Ok, coming from a company that has fleets of trucks parked and waiting for computer chips from China.
 
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When dem voters finally realize this, they will reject it. D voters only want to take other people's money and freedom while not sacrificing their own.
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no. No they won’t.
they’ll swallow it whole wrapped up in a veil of doo-good BS like they always have.
 
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I remember when gas prices first started soaring under Dubya that the ceo of Ford said, “we’re going to sop building big cars and trucks because Americans want small cars that get good mileage”. o_O Ok, coming from a company that has fleets of trucks parked and waiting for computer chips from China.
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Ford drank the Biden/Harris kool-aid . Remember victory dance with all the Ford vehicles. It doesn’t make them smarter. Failures in the world market making them embrace Socialist Dictators.
 
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no. No they won’t.
they’ll swallow it whole wrapped up in a veil of doo-good BS like they always have.
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The middle income that still vote D out of blind obedience or virtue signaling are more likely to finally wake up when they realize they were led to. A certain percentage will cling to the illusion due to frail ego. But when they are forced to sell their home in the suburbs because they can no longer afford a car to get to work, they will be in for a rude awakening.
City Dwellers are already lost. They believe that everyone must be forced by gov't to surrender liberty for the "promise" of gov't doing things for them that they should be doing for for themselves. They believe that because they pay 50-70% of take home for housing, everyone should. Small price to pay for having such great gov't services in places like NYC. And all museums and theaters that they can't afford to go to after paying rent.

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fishgutzy said:
The middle income that still vote D out of blind obedience or virtue signaling are more likely to finally wake up when they realize they were led to. A certain percentage will cling to the illusion due to frail ego. But when they are forced to sell their home in the suburbs because they can no longer afford a car to get to work, they will be in for a rude awakening.
City Dwellers are already lost. They believe that everyone must be forced by gov't to surrender liberty for the "promise" of gov't doing things for them that they should be doing for for themselves. They believe that because they pay 50-70% of take home for housing, everyone should. Small price to pay for having such great gov't services in places like NYC. And all museums and theaters that they can't afford to go to after paying rent.

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I think you're over estimating the impact.

The problem is that the Democrat platform isn't monolithic, just like the Republican platform isn't.

These people WILL continue to vote democrat because of other aspects of their political platform.

Few people vote one way or another based on singular issues.

There are huge swaths who vote the way they do because of any number of other issues which have little, if anything, to do with this.

Abortion, taxes, jobs, foreign policy, military, local politics, state politics, national politics, race, police, gender politics, you name it.

"They want to take away my private vehicle, but that's OK because I care more about (my right to abortion) (voting Trump out of office) (raising taxes on the rich) (social welfare spending).

Everybody does this because it's human nature.

SOME will be upset by this, to be sure. A few of them will, in fact, vote against it. But NOT in mass droves.
 
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