I love "bill of sale" requirements.....

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I am thinking of buying EVERY SINGLE FIREARM OFFERED IN HERE that requires a "bill of sale"


I will take your xxxxxxxxxx, at your price, subject to the following conditions:

I appreciate your demand to provide a “bill of sale” for the protection of both parties. Although NC law only requires there be a permit shown, and proof of ID/NC residence (picture), it is always a good idea to go further than the law and so add extralegal hoops to jump through, “just in case.”

In that spirit, to consummate this deal, I will require:

A statement (duly sworn and notarized) of where you purchased this weapon. I must protect myself, and possession of a stolen firearm (even if I can trace it back to you!) is a felony.

A sworn affidavit (notarized) from the local sheriff that the registration number on the weapon does not match any database of stolen weapons.

Another paper notarizing that the id on the weapon matches the sworn affidavit of the above sheriff.

I will need a statement (again, sworn and notarized by local sheriff) that you have no immediate family members, spouse(s), children (adopted and natural), first cousins and inlaws, who have a history of criminal activity. These should be named, dates of birth and Social Security numbers included, with a line itemization of notary verifications, that none of them have the type of criminal character that would lead to them taking access to your weapon to commit a crime. If this were to show up “after the fact,” there is the possibility that I could be charged, or at least suspected, of being an accessory after the fact. Even though the law does not require this, it is better to be safe. Wouldn’t you agree?

I will need a similar statement, sworn and notarized, of course demonstrating that you have no immediate family members, spouse(s), children (adopted and natural), first cousins and inlaws, who have a history of mental instability. If one of your kids had a bad Prozac reaction, took the weapon without your knowledge and committed a theft or murder, and then returned it, this creates legal jeopardy for me. Perhaps under the care of a psychiatrist or counselor, this memory could come out and then I might get “talked to” by the police. I am sure you understand that we must guard against this eventuality. In light of this, please compile a list of all hospitals, mental health professionals, and clergy with counseling backgrounds within a 150 mile radius of your home (this would include all the domiciles in which you have lived since you owned the weapon), and get them to sign a statement that they have never treated/counseled any of the people on the above list for: depression, manic depression, homicidal ideation, suicidal ideation, or transgender emotional issues (the latter is optional, but recommended).

Finally, since the police might want to “interview” me if I bought a weapon from a mentally unstable or radical person, I will need you to verify that you have no crazy bumper stickers or tee shirts with slogans like MOLON LABE, Kill ‘em all and let God sort them out, Don’t Tread on Me, Gun control means using two hands, or Ron Paul for President. We don’t need to engage in overkill here, so I won’t need a notarized statement. Just a signed affirmation from your wife, significant other, or a neighbor.

If you can agree to these simple and effective safeguards, I will happily purchase your xxxxxxxx at your listed price.

Sincerely, Elmer Fudd
 
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Don’t forget your own set of fingerprint cards (in duplicate), a cheek swab, and a tox screen done at the time of sale to prove the seller was in and of sound mind, not altered by any type of substance so they can’t claim you stole the firearm in any way shape or form.
 
While I think they are stupid, I also feel that people selling their private property have a right to ask for whatever they want. No one is forcing me to agree to their terms.
How can you call my requirements to protect myself "stupid"? Should the buyer not be protected also?

Besides, I am AGREEING TO THEIR TERMS... just adding a few of my own.
 
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How can you call my requirements to protect myself "stupid"? Should the buyer not be protected also?

Read again...I find bill of sale requirements stupid. But now that I read them, I find yours stupid as well. How can I do this? The same way as I do anything...I make a decision, consider my decision based on my experience, logic, and gut feeling, and then move on. The same way I find punisher logos, pink pussy hats, safe zones, and decaf coffee stupid.
 
Read again...I find bill of sale requirements stupid. But now that I read them, I find yours stupid as well. How can I do this? The same way as I do anything...I make a decision, consider my decision based on my experience, logic, and gut feeling, and then move on. The same way I find punisher logos, pink pussy hats, safe zones, and decaf coffee stupid.
Well, I am insulted. I think I will add to my list of "buyer's requirements" that no seller that I do business with shall have ever purchased a firearm from you. It is a free market, after all and I must protect myself. People like you are dangerous.

No one is forcing the seller to agree to my terms, are they?
 
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Ok, so what is the reasoning behind the bill of sale again? Just curious since in SC all you have to really do is to see an SC drivers license and ask if they are legally able to own a firearm or handgun.
I gave you the reasoning in my requirements...... "just in case"

besides, IT IS MY MONEY and I have every right only to participate in a sale if the seller will meet my requirements, whether or not the law in NC requires them.

I think that is the reasoning for excusing the seller to make such requirements, anyway
 
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LOL!!! Love it.

I used to do BOS and copy of ID for guns I sold but soon got over the need to feel “extra protected”. Plus I don’t want to worry about being in possession of someone else info, considering the prevelance of identify theft these days.
 
In experiences here, and I'm sure there are a few, has anyone ever had LE demand to see a BoS when tracking a gun? From my understanding, if you tell them you sold it, they pretty much move along. At least so I've been told.
 
In experiences here, and I'm sure there are a few, has anyone ever had LE demand to see a BoS when tracking a gun? From my understanding, if you tell them you sold it, they pretty much move along. At least so I've been told.
Because you said so? I don't think so.
 
I see lots of stuff here for sale in NC, but the requirement for some piece of paper stops me from even contacting people.
I don't see that requirement from my SC neighbors. :D

Carry on.
 
I see lots of stuff here for sale in NC, but the requirement for some piece of paper stops me from even contacting people.
I don't see that requirement from my SC neighbors. :D

Carry on.
Huh! every time I buy something from a SC resident they want to use an FFL. some people...
 
I can't believe time was wasted making this post instead of reading, deciding the terms were not in-line with what you want, and moving on...
 
"misplaced fear" is probably the most succinct answer ... for both sides.

Potential buyers ranting about seller terms is fairly common, but I can't readily remember threads with sellers ranting about buyer terms.
 
I am thinking of buying EVERY SINGLE FIREARM OFFERED IN HERE that requires a "bill of sale"


I will take your xxxxxxxxxx, at your price, subject to the following conditions:

I appreciate your demand to provide a “bill of sale” for the protection of both parties. Although NC law only requires there be a permit shown, and proof of ID/NC residence (picture), it is always a good idea to go further than the law and so add extralegal hoops to jump through, “just in case.”

In that spirit, to consummate this deal, I will require:

A statement (duly sworn and notarized) of where you purchased this weapon. I must protect myself, and possession of a stolen firearm (even if I can trace it back to you!) is a felony.

A sworn affidavit (notarized) from the local sheriff that the registration number on the weapon does not match any database of stolen weapons.

Another paper notarizing that the id on the weapon matches the sworn affidavit of the above sheriff.

I will need a statement (again, sworn and notarized by local sheriff) that you have no immediate family members, spouse(s), children (adopted and natural), first cousins and inlaws, who have a history of criminal activity. These should be named, dates of birth and Social Security numbers included, with a line itemization of notary verifications, that none of them have the type of criminal character that would lead to them taking access to your weapon to commit a crime. If this were to show up “after the fact,” there is the possibility that I could be charged, or at least suspected, of being an accessory after the fact. Even though the law does not require this, it is better to be safe. Wouldn’t you agree?

I will need a similar statement, sworn and notarized, of course demonstrating that you have no immediate family members, spouse(s), children (adopted and natural), first cousins and inlaws, who have a history of mental instability. If one of your kids had a bad Prozac reaction, took the weapon without your knowledge and committed a theft or murder, and then returned it, this creates legal jeopardy for me. Perhaps under the care of a psychiatrist or counselor, this memory could come out and then I might get “talked to” by the police. I am sure you understand that we must guard against this eventuality. In light of this, please compile a list of all hospitals, mental health professionals, and clergy with counseling backgrounds within a 150 mile radius of your home (this would include all the domiciles in which you have lived since you owned the weapon), and get them to sign a statement that they have never treated/counseled any of the people on the above list for: depression, manic depression, homicidal ideation, suicidal ideation, or transgender emotional issues (the latter is optional, but recommended).

Finally, since the police might want to “interview” me if I bought a weapon from a mentally unstable or radical person, I will need you to verify that you have no crazy bumper stickers or tee shirts with slogans like MOLON LABE, Kill ‘em all and let God sort them out, Don’t Tread on Me, Gun control means using two hands, or Ron Paul for President. We don’t need to engage in overkill here, so I won’t need a notarized statement. Just a signed affirmation from your wife, significant other, or a neighbor.

If you can agree to these simple and effective safeguards, I will happily purchase your xxxxxxxx at your listed price.

Sincerely, Elmer Fudd


Tell you what Elmer, currently I have a firearm that is on this forum but is temporarily withdrawn. I'm having Lenny Moore do some work on it that I don't feel capable of doing myself. If and when I put that item back up, the value will have significantly, very significantly, increased. The local sheriff owes me a favor and I think I can obtain everything you want. I won't require a bill of sale though.
 
On a more serious note, I have no trouble with someone wanting a bill of sale. What frosts my xxxxs is some one selling a long gun that says you can't buy it unless you have a ccw or ppp. Even if I had one of those, I'd tell them that all I have is an NCDL and if they don't want to sell the item to me that's fine.
 
LOL!!! Love it.

I used to do BOS and copy of ID for guns I sold but soon got over the need to feel “extra protected”. Plus I don’t want to worry about being in possession of someone else info, considering the prevelance of identify theft these days.

This,

I look back and want to kick my own ass for requiring a BOS
 
I dont know what people are asking of you on these "Bill's of Sale"
but I personally dont see anything wrong with a simple bill of sale like this for any property:20190131_161956.jpg
 
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