Info on cheap black powder revolver

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I'm planning on getting into black powder shooting and was wondering what is a good cheap or budget priced black powder revolver and a good caliber to start with? If anyone has a used black powder revolver they can sell for a budget price I'm interested and can trade something if you rather do that? But I don't want to spend a lot of money on one until I get use to shooting black powder revolvers more and if I decide to stay with it I will move up to a better revolver. I'm interested in the old 6 shot style revolvers and not really interested in the open cylinder no barrel type or single shot setups.
 
A Ruger Old Army is not a cheap or budget priced BP revolver, but...in the manual it says that the revolver cannot be overcharged with black powder or a BP substitute. That alone makes one worth the price. They shoot 45 cal boolits, but .457" is perfect. That's a wee bit larger than other BP revolvers. Also, a stainless Ruger Old Army can be cleaned in your dishwasher.

Otherwise, a reproduction Remington 1858 is a good choice. It is 44 cal.
 
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All the "Cheap" manufacturers are pretty much out of business.....Army San Marco, IAB/Padretti, etc. You can still find them used and in good condition and thats typically because they didn't work well or at all to begin with......hence, out of business.

If its less than 20 years old, its likely to be a Uberti or Pietta regardless of whats stamped on the barrel/frame. And don't fall for the Taylors/Cimarron hype, they mostly dont' select for "Higher Quality" for their line up. If anything, they just make sure their roll mark is clean and neat on the metal. (discounting the ones that go for custom action work through their in house smiths, of course.) In the long run, new or used, it'll likely cost you about the same as a cartridge gun.

Find someone that has some and will take you shooting and let you clean them after. Once you clean the a bit, you might just go back to modern and smokeless. Takes a special nut case to actually like and regularly use a black powder cap gun....unless you buy stainless, and those are top rack dishwasher safe once the grips are off.... :)
 
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Uh oh! Another addict-to-be! Welcome. :)

Pietta and Uberti are the two BP revolver manufacturers currently operating. Both are Italian, and both make a wide variety of replicas. Taylors & Co. and EMF sell high-end BP revolvers, but they are made by the two above.

There are many other used replicas and some originals available used, of course. FIE was an Italian company that sold revolvers made from various parts houses; Armi San Marco and Armi San Paolo were two others. Miroku, a Japanese company, made black powder firearms, but no revolvers that I'm aware of. The Holy Grail seems to be the Ruger Old Army @MacEntyre mentioned above. It is definitely not on the inexpensive side...

.44 and .36 are the two most common calibers, though there are a few .32 cal models available. There seem to be more varieties in .44.

There are two choices in frames: Brass or Steel. While brass is the cheaper option, it is also weaker, and there is ample scuttlebutt about heavy loads causing "frame stretch" and other maladies over time. IF you intend to push the limits of power & load as heavy a charge as you can cram into a cylinder, then brass is a less-than-optimal choice. If you're going to stick with moderate loads to get familiar with the process, you should be fine. I have a brass-framed 1851 that I bought used in 1982 or so, and it is fine for what it is: a range toy.

Some common models would be:

1851 Colt replica; the "Navy" model is in .36 cal. It is also available in .44
1860 Colt Army in .44 cal.
1858 Remington New Model Army, typically in .44 cal. but also offered in a .36 (non-historically correct) "Navy" model
1847 Colt Walker or Dragoon replicas.

Any of these would be a fine first BP revolver.

There is a lot of BP revolver discussion on The High Road's Black Powder forum; you could learn a lot there (enough to come away thoroughly confused!) before committing to a purchase.

Keep us posted, and don't forget the pictures!
 
Why I don't shoot Black Powder

Understand that from the time I could put together a rational thought, I’ve been fascinated by guns. My mother used to prop me in front of the little round picture box as a baby so I could watch men on horseback shooting at each other with guns...

The first “real” shooter I owned was a Mattel Fanner 50... it shot Mattel Shootin’ Shells and used Greenie Stick ‘Em caps. I was greased-lightning fast and Grim Reaper deadly with it... for my punishment of erroneous deeds my mom would take the gun away for a few days... dad, on the other hand, used the gunbelt for a more heartily applied punishment to the South end of this Northbound cowpoke. It seems like that gunbelt got as much [applied] use as that Fanner 50. Who knew old people would jump that high when you shot them in the butt? Sorry, Nana... but the bone china tea set dad bought to replace the one you were carrying was much prettier and newer than that 150 year old set you were always bragging to Aunt Gladys about... And Cousin Peter? Sorry about the eye, buddy. But at least it kept you out of the army...

When I was twelve I was shipped off for the summer to church camp, where I was introduced to the joys of the .22 Long Rifle cartridge. There were six shooters in my squad and we could choose from the six semi-auto and two bolt action rifles available. Even then it was evident I’d be a purist: I was the only one to choose a bolt action. While the other kids were busy shooting hundreds of rounds of ammo downrange as quickly as they could, I carefully aimed my bolt action in the general direction of the targets... while actually shooting birds over by the pond like Gary Cooper taught George Tobias to shoot turkeys in Sgt. York– “sorta from back to front...”, and imagining each of those evil birds was wearing a German helmet. I still say the counselors should have told us on Orientation Day. I mean, who even knew there WERE swans, huh? They looked like big ducks wearing holdup masks, if you really want to know the truth. Dad didn’t see it that way, though... especially since he had to pay for the swans– and they didn’t refund the seven weeks’ unused camp tuition when they expelled me, either. Did I mention what dad used my Fanner 50 gunbelt for?

After my exposure to the real thing at camp– albeit for only a brief period– I wasn’t too interested in playing with the Daisy BB guns my friends had. I was above owning one of those childish things... but not above borrowing one to play with every once in awhile. And Ritchie? Sorry about the eye, buddy. But at least it kept you out of the army...

I finally turned eighteen and could [legally] own my own black powder revolver, but I was just a bit short in the savings department. Not being the patient sort, I chose the most expedient means to get the money. As I look back now, I suppose I am sorry those junior high kids couldn’t turn in their paper route money that week...

I’d been looking at a pretty, brass-framed BP revolver in the case at Shattuck’s Hardware for a couple of months, and boy! Was I ever proud the day I went in and plunked down the money for it! Eleven dollars in one dollar bills... and eighteen dollars in quarter and dimes. Old Man Shattuck was a great old guy, whose eyesight, thankfully, had gotten really bad over the years... otherwise he’d have chased me out of the store like he used to after he caught me stealing that Barlow when I was thirteen... but he didn’t recognize me as he sold me the .36 caliber pistol... he even threw in a box of pure lead balls with the pistol and percussion caps when I bought the pound of black powder. I told Mr. Shattuck that I was anxious to shoot it and was heading straight for the dump, and asked him to show me how to load the gun. “It’s pretty simple,” I recall his telling me. “You measure your powder into the cylinder chamber, put a bullet over it, ram it down in with the hinged thing under the barrel, put your cap over a nipple, and you’re set to shoot.” I thanked him for his help and headed for the door.

“One last thing!” he called to me as I was running out the door, “Don’t forget to put grease over your balls! Crisco works fine!” I didn’t understand the need for the last part, but I stopped at Tony’s Grocery and bought a little blue can of Crisco grease. And now... to the dump! Where bottles and cans, rats and crows were just waiting for this ol’ cowboy to do ‘em in!

I replayed Mr. Shattuck’s instructions in my head as I laid out all my gear on the smoothed-out, brown paper bag at my feet. The first thing I realized was that I didn’t have anything to measure the powder with... UNTIL I remembered my knife! I carried one of those folding stag handled camper’s knives– you know, the ones with a fork on one side and a spoon on the other? The spoon was perfect for what I needed! Very carefully (thank heaven there wasn’t any wind blowing) I poured a spoonful of powder from the can into the spoon, then tipped the spoon up and tapped the powder into the cylinder. Sure, I spilled a bunch over because the spoon held so much more, but what the heck! Powder was cheap, back then... and I had plenty to spare...

Being a methodical kind of kid, I filled all six chambers with the powder, managing to spill as much around my feet, I suppose, as I was getting into the cylinder. I can laugh now, but when I bent over to get the bullets all the powder fell out of the cylinders onto my boots... so I had to fill them all over again! I managed to get all the chambers filled with powder and then stuck a bullet into the first cylinder... I had to really tap it in with my knife to get it started... then shoved it in as far as it would go with the rammer thing. I lost a little powder in the process, but eventually I had all six chambers loaded and ready to go. Then I put percussion caps over the things sticking out the ends of the cylinders...

Oops! I forgot a couple of things!

Now, I’ll admit my ignorance about a lot of things... but why I was supposed to smear Crisco on my balls is still a mystery to me. But I figured Old Man Shattuck knew what he was about, so I looked around to make sure I was alone, then dropped my pants to my knees, opened the can of Crisco and began to smear it over Lefty and Righty. Standing there in the hot summer sun, slowly massaging soft, silky grease into my scrotum... gee WHIZ! I guess the old man knew what he was talking about after all ! Welcome to the joys of shooting! I had to force myself out of my reverie...

One last thing and then I’d be ready to shoot... I took my baseball cap off and stuffed it inside my shirt over my left nipple. Okay... I guessed I was ready (except, of course, that in my haste I’d forgotten to pull up my pants...)

Well sir, I crooked my left arm out in front of my face, rested the trigger guard of the pistol in my right hand on it, drew a tight bead on an old Four Roses bottle, and squeezed the trigger. I remember a bright flash, a burning sensation on my arm and face, then something hit me square in the forehead and the lights went out.

It must have been quite sometime later when I awoke. I was laid out across the back seat of Sheriff Miller’s car (I knew this from the plexi-glass partition and a previous ride when I’d been sixteen), the rider’s side door was open and my feet and lower legs were hanging out. As I raised my head to look for the source of the voices I heard I felt like someone had hit me in the head with a sledgehammer. I could see two men in the dim, evening light, just outside the door and within my range of vision. At least, I thought they were two men... I could hear two speaking but they were sorta spinning around and they looked like six. From the voices I knew they were Sheriff Miller and my Dad...

“... busy on another call so the volunteer fire department was the first out here,” I heard the Sheriff explaining to my dad. “Mabel Krutchner called it in... said she saw smoke comin’ from the dump and had heard an awful explosion over this way."


“Near as I can tell from what the firemen say, when they got here they found your boy lying over there. At first they thought he was dead. The dump was on fire all around him, his left arm and face were all black, his boots were scorched pretty badly, he had a HUGE knot on his forehead where somebody’d cold-cocked him... And... well, we think the boy’s been... well, taken advantage of.”

“What do you mean ‘Taken advantage of?’” I heard my dad ask.

“Well, Al, it’s like this,” the Sheriff said. “The first men to get to your boy said he was unconscious; they found part of a gun by his body; his pants were down around his ankles, his crotch was smeared with KY Jelly and he was sportin’ a big boner...”

Then I heard Mr. Shattuck’s voice. “I always knew there was something wrong with that boy...This will probably keep him out of the army...”

And THAT’S why I don’t shoot black powder!
 
I would say you shouldn't rule out the single shot muzzleloaders because they are actually a great way to learn the process and much simpler and more reliable for beginners. They are also much faster and easier to clean when you are done, which is something a lot of beginners don't take into consideration. Just like modern firearms, the larger the bore the more expensive the bullet so if you really want to pinch pennies maybe start with a .36. But in my opinion that is kind of a moot point, you will not really be shooting enough volume to see significant savings and right now it's almost impossible to find percussion caps at all, let alone an affordable price. If you are set on revolvers, the two main brands for reproductions available today are Pietta and Uberti. They are both good quality makers. I would recommend an 1858 Remington clone as your first one for a few reasons. They have better sights than the Colts, and they are a bit easier to unload and have less parts to take apart for cleaning. If you want a Colt pattern style, I would recommend the 1860 Army clone if you have average or larger size hands. If you have small hands, then you might find the 1851 comfortable but for most people, the 1860's larger grip really feels and points better than the 1851.
 
I bought a replica remington 1858. Its a pain in the ass, hard to clean and not powerful at all. I love it.

I even went a little overboard and bought one of those kits to make my own percussion caps and the primer powder.

It still makes me giggle every time it goes off. I shoot it two to three times a year and its just fun. And at least with pistols theyre (relatively) affordable. Try looking up a BP 12 gauge...
 
My LeMat is powerful, whether it's the 44 or the 20 ga you choot!

For the BP in 44, according to me using some MV numbers and a ballistics calculator, it can reach about 380 ACP levels. The LeMat, I have no idea but I know mine is a bit of a popgun compared to modern smokeless loadings. Although, I have heard legendary things about Ruger Old Army revolvers being able to just handle ridiculous loads of powder.

My next rabbit hole will be picking up a 45LC conversion cylinder and seeing just how much gunsmithing is needed for it to work.
 
...I have heard legendary things about Ruger Old Army revolvers being able to just handle ridiculous loads of powder.
It's true. You can fill the cylinder with BP or any BP substitute, then compress the load when you press in the ball. It's goes Bang! and feels like a lot more'n a popgun!
 
I have a couple of black powder revolvers I haven't even shot yet just because I haven't had the time and dreading the task of disassembling and cleaning them after the fireworks are over. Are there any shortcuts to the cleaning process? I own a 1851 Navy and a 1858 New Army. I have shot the New Army replica with a conversion cylinder in .45 LC.
 
Are there any shortcuts to the cleaning process?
:)

Not really, but you can expect a wide variety of answers to this question!

That said, it might help to think of it this way:

The process of cleaning BP guns is not more difficult or complicated than cleaning modern guns; it is merely different. That said, it is somewhat more pressing to get to it soon after the shooting's done because of the hygroscopic nature of the burned powder residue.

Once you get your chops down, it's not hard at all.

IMO, it's "harder" to detail strip & clean a modern semi-auto pistol than to disassemble an 1851 Colt/ replica because you can't (shouldn't) dunk the modern gun in soapy water, scrub & rinse it.
 
I don't have a "traditional" BP revolver, but I have a Ruger BirdHead Vaquero, short barrel. I love scooping up a shell full of BP, crunching a bullet in it and letting loose. The thump, the smoke, the smell.
 
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