Informative post.

Sounds like the propaganda and information part of the war is kicking off. The writer sounds like some sort of government operative who has little clue as to what is really happening or being said down in the trenches. His pablum boils down to: join a militia and you'll be arrested (chuckle). OK buddy. Like I said, doesn't sound like he really knows whats going on but it does sound like there are some segments of the ruling class that are running a little scared with the natives getting restless, sharpening their tomahawks, and beating their drums.
 
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The writer sounds like some sort of government operative who has little clue as to what is really happening or being said down in the trenches.
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Not disagreeing; I just really didn't take that from the article. Normally, I'm well-known for my hair-trigger skepticism.o_O
 
noway2 said:
Sounds like the propaganda and information part of the war is kicking off. The writer sounds like some sort of government operative who has little clue as to what is really happening or being said down in the trenches. His pablum boils down to: join a militia and you'll be arrested (chuckle). OK buddy. Like I said, doesn't sound like he really knows whats going on but it does sound like there are some segments of the ruling class that are running a little scared with the natives getting restless, sharpening their tomahawks, and beating their drums.
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That could be. It sounded instead to me like "I believe in this stuff, but keep it small and close to the vest until/if the shooting starts. False flags and undercover operatives WILL come in and try to compromise you." I guess that version would be true no matter if he was legit or not.
 
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Our little group, anywhere from 6 to 80 makes it a personal mission to "Behave". No shooting til After church lets out. We do shoot as late as 10 PM [noise ordinance] on occasion, for low light experience. Of the 4 people Banned from the property in 15 years only 1 was what I would list as a "problem", that was Many years ago.
Our conversations are usually fairly thought provoking. Most say "I learned something today". Most times it's what Not to do.
We have had several LEs visit, most do not return.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Our little group, anywhere from 6 to 80 makes it a personal mission to "Behave". No shooting til After church lets out. We do shoot as late as 10 PM [noise ordinance] on occasion, for low light experience. Of the 4 people Banned from the property in 15 years only 1 was what I would list as a "problem", that was Many years ago.
Our conversations are usually fairly thought provoking. Most say "I learned something today". Most times it's what Not to do.
We have had several LEs visit, most do not return.
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anyone who leaves there and hasn’t learned anything, isn’t gonna learn anything
 
JT said:
Not disagreeing; I just really didn't take that from the article. Normally, I'm well-known for my hair-trigger skepticism.o_O
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tanstaafl72555 said:
That could be. It sounded instead to me like "I believe in this stuff, but keep it small and close to the vest until/if the shooting starts. False flags and undercover operatives WILL come in and try to compromise you." I guess that version would be true no matter if he was legit or not.
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Both of you may be right, perhaps I misread the article. The paragraph titled Siren Song was where I started to get turned off. The paragraph starts with:
Oh, the romance of being a revolutionary: square-jawed, armed and dangerous, feared by men, admired by women and children–and your dog. But mostly it gives you a chance to buy loads of expensive, dangerous-looking toys and cool camo gear!
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It struck me as he was stereotyping here. The people that I know that are serious about the threats we are facing from an overzealous government and are preparing accordingly are the exact opposite of this categorization.
 
noway2 said:
Both of you may be right, perhaps I misread the article. The paragraph titled Siren Song was where I started to get turned off. The paragraph starts with:

It struck me as he was stereotyping here. The people that I know that are serious about the threats we are facing from an overzealous government and are preparing accordingly are the exact opposite of this categorization.
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Good point! He may have just been trying to exaggerate to be funnysarc, but maybe not.
 
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The people that I know that are serious about the threats we are facing from an overzealous government and are preparing accordingly are the exact opposite of this categorization.
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Yep. They were then too. Also, everyone I 'knew' then who was serious got quieter, not louder.
 
Guns, militias, militaries....these are instruments, not strategies. Politics and public relations is the ultimate game. Any militia or person shouting about revolution who cannot answer 'what is the end goal?' w/ a very coherent answer is just a potential liability, a weakness, waiting to be preyed on by the opposition. That coherent end goal, needs to also be the same across all militias, or one militia/person, is just a liability, weakness to the greater network that IS working to achieve a decisive goal. As an instrument, they are the piano being banged on by a kid making noise.

How does it look if just one militia group does something stupid? The answer, NOT GOOD. it not only threatens other disciplined militia groups, but more importantly is a victory for the other side in the war of attrition. It is the IED of politics. While the politicians and advocacy groups NEED to be focusing on winning legal cases, winning over population sentiment, backing supportive candidates during elections, they are instead using the finite financial and Human Resources to defensive counter-PR. Losing ground while the other side uses the media relentlessly to keep the incident front page news for weeks. blah blah blah.

As a collective, if the first 'solution' we think of is the word 'gun' then we have already lost. Guns are an instrument of politics, not a form of it. We can't try to use a screw driver as a hammer and expect to succeed while the other side has a fully automated factory against us.
 
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JT said:
Good point! He may have just been trying to exaggerate to be funnysarc, but maybe not.
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artistic use of stereotype to demonstrate, at best, how we are perceived by the broader population, making our job that much harder to regain our freedoms. Like virgina gun group not wanting people to bring AR15s to rally day. It just throwing a bouncy red ball down the stairs for the drooling media. None of the political messaging gets any air time, only the AR15 wielding fella with the sophisticated 'rock out with your Glock out' shirt in the back of the parking lot...
 
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Sigequinox220 said:
Guns, militias, militaries....these are instruments, not strategies. Politics and public relations is the ultimate game. Any militia or person shouting about revolution who cannot answer 'what is the end goal?' w/ a very coherent answer is just a potential liability, a weakness, waiting to be preyed on by the opposition. That coherent end goal, needs to also be the same across all militias, or one militia/person, is just a liability, weakness to the greater network that IS working to achieve a decisive goal. As an instrument, they are the piano being banged on by a kid making noise.

How does it look if just one militia group does something stupid? The answer, NOT GOOD. it not only threatens other disciplined militia groups, but more importantly is a victory for the other side in the war of attrition. It is the IED of politics. While the politicians and advocacy groups NEED to be focusing on winning legal cases, winning over population sentiment, backing supportive candidates during elections, they are instead using the finite financial and Human Resources to defensive counter-PR. Losing ground while the other side uses the media relentlessly to keep the incident front page news for weeks. blah blah blah.

As a collective, if the first 'solution' we think of is the word 'gun' then we have already lost. Guns are an instrument of politics, not a form of it. We can't try to use a screw driver as a hammer and expect to succeed while the other side has a fully automated factory against us.
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I want to add to this, before folks part of any group get the wrong idea...if you belong to a militia and the answer to 'what is your end goal' is 'to protect our neighborhood during times of peril', or 'to be a show of force if SHTF', to be a 'armed network ensuring security for those providing/supplying food and batteries during times of natural disaster', whatever...That is a perfectly suitable purpose supporting the micro-political needs of a particular event should that time come. Its the 'right tool for the specific job'.

But that's not the same tool for the job whose end point is national scale preservation of second amendment rights within the worlds [currently] only superpower. We just need to make sure, as gun owners (militia or not), that we are not irrationally conflating purposes while our blood is boiling over with fury at the nonsense, lies and misinformation we hear being crammed down media and campaign pipelines, or even worse, the actions being taken based on this misinformation. It blows, but at the end of the day (this one anyway), our money and our man power is worth far more than our guns in keeping our rights.

Donate, volunteer for advocacy groups....that will be most beneficial. Putting stamps on envelopes for VCDL will seriously do more good than loading bullets right now. Keep things simple like the liberals. Any one with a facebook should be posting funny, 'tweet able' gun memes routinely. Something your non-2a friends or w/e can still find light enough to 're-share' or instagram or w/e TF people do these days (I don't have any social media accounts to do this). If your facebook is covered in quotes of watering trees with blood, you are scaring those people off. Your facebook is part of the political war, not the gun battle.
 
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Sigequinox220 said:
I want to add to this, before folks part of any group get the wrong idea...if you belong to a militia and the answer to 'what is your end goal' is 'to protect our neighborhood during times of peril', or 'to be a show of force if SHTF', to be a 'armed network ensuring security for those providing/supplying food and batteries during times of natural disaster', whatever...That is a perfectly suitable purpose supporting the micro-political needs of a particular event should that time come. Its the 'right tool for the specific job'.

But that's not the same tool for the job whose end point is national scale preservation of second amendment rights within the worlds [currently] only superpower. We just need to make sure, as gun owners (militia or not), that we are not irrationally conflating purposes while our blood is boiling over with fury at the nonsense, lies and misinformation we hear being crammed down media and campaign pipelines, or even worse, the actions being taken based on this misinformation. It blows, but at the end of the day (this one anyway), our money and our man power is worth far more than our guns in keeping our rights.

Donate, volunteer for advocacy groups....that will be most beneficial. Putting stamps on envelopes for VCDL will seriously do more good than loading bullets right now. Keep things simple like the liberals. Any one with a facebook should be posting funny, 'tweet able' gun memes routinely. Something your non-2a friends or w/e can still find light enough to 're-share' or instagram or w/e TF people do these days (I don't have any social media accounts to do this). If your facebook is covered in quotes of watering trees with blood, you are scaring those people off. Your facebook is part of the political war, not the gun battle.
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My opinion is that better than forming/joining a militia would be to be in a small town and run for city council, and then harp endlessly about the need to have at least a skeleton civil defense crew like back inthe 50s. Most small towns are FULL of people who would give you the shirt off their back if there were real need, and if there were community awareness of "emergency preparation" or kind of a local FEMA type outfit, this could easily be repurposed, or at least be a recruiting ground for common sense independent types. No need to advertise the militia type stuff, although passing around certain literature could be a low key strategy for recruitment of responsible types.
I am actually thinking of running for city/county government here for that very purpose.
Another strategy would be a statewide org dedicated to putting pro 2A sheriffs in office in every county. I am in convos with a guy right now who has run a couple of political campaigns to do just that. Looking to raise about 250 thousand dollars, but not taking any yet. A sheriff who will deputize large numbers of the population forms a barrier between the goobers in the state legislature and the citizenry.
Time is the issue. I have massive family/medical issue with my grandson. We will see how it works out.
 
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