Is the *apparent* likelihood of Trump winning 2020 impacting your purchasing?

2020 Election Projection, Impact on Purchases

  • Not really impacting my decisions

    Votes: 79 74.5%

  • I'm buying all I can, I suspect 2A will lose in 2020

    Votes: 13 12.3%

  • I think 2A is safe for now and not panic buying or buying as investment

    Votes: 14 13.2%
  • Total voters
    106
wvsig said:
"but the cold hard reality is that he is going to one day sell someone a $500 AR15 for $1000 or $1500 because that person feels the need to defend themselves and that have no other choice but to pay a market price created not by the open and free market but by restrictive regulation of our fundamental rights..
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This is just wrong. You are trying to impute a moral wrong where it doesn't belong. First off, as long as the buyer has the choice to decline the purchase, then it is part of the "open and free market" that we enjoy with one another, irregardless of government intrusion.
Speculators and profiteers are a necessary part of the free and open market. Otherwise said "panicked unprepared buyer " would not have a way to acquire what they are panicked to get.
If Mike did the due dilligance to research and understand future markets, especially when possible political outcomes may adversely impact them, then he should be rewarded for his forward thinking by charging 1500$ for a 500$ rifle that he stockpiled if...the buyer is willing to pay.

To start with...price is never fixed. It is flexible and fluctuates with demand. The gun you get for 700$ today costed me 1500$ back in 2007. It all works out.

Secondly,
And here I qualify my statement with a big "except in case of hardship"
I have a hard time understanding how any gun rights supporter that has looked at the political landscape since 2012, and has failed to deduce the dire need to acquire mass quantities of guns and ammo should be sympathized with. The writing has been on the wall for a long time now. If, at this point, you have failed to prepare...then you deserve to pay triple price. I'm not saying you have to...just you deserve to.

I for one am sick of fence sitters. A lot of gun supporters have been on the sidelines not getting involved in the fight. Well...they might have to pay for that apathy. Some people just need to learn a hard lesson. It will do them good.
 
Starkherz199 said:
This is just wrong. You are trying to impute a moral wrong where it doesn't belong. First off, as long as the buyer has the choice to decline the purchase, then it is part of the "open and free market" that we enjoy with one another, irregardless of government intrusion.
Speculators and profiteers are a necessary part of the free and open market. Otherwise said "panicked unprepared buyer " would not have a way to acquire what they are panicked to get.
If Mike did the due dilligance to research and understand future markets, especially when possible political outcomes may adversely impact them, then he should be rewarded for his forward thinking by charging 1500$ for a 500$ rifle that he stockpiled if...the buyer is willing to pay.

To start with...price is never fixed. It is flexible and fluctuates with demand. The gun you get for 700$ today costed me 1500$ back in 2007. It all works out.

Secondly,
And here I qualify my statement with a big "except in case of hardship"
I have a hard time understanding how any gun rights supporter that has looked at the political landscape since 2012, and has failed to deduce the dire need to acquire mass quantities of guns and ammo should be sympathized with. The writing has been on the wall for a long time now. If, at this point, you have failed to prepare...then you deserve to pay triple price. I'm not saying you have to...just you deserve to.

I for one am sick of fence sitters. A lot of gun supporters have been on the sidelines not getting involved in the fight. Well...they might have to pay for that apathy. Some people just need to learn a hard lesson. It will do them good.
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You are certainly entitled to that viewpoint but I and entitled to disagree. Isn't freedom wonderful.
 
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cubrock said:
To the point of those stocking up to sell in future shortages, the people buying at the higher prices down the road had the same chance we all do now to stock up on the cheap. Hardship exceptions aside, they could choose to not get a new phone, not go out to eat, not get saddled with a new car payment when the old car runs fine. I have limited sympathy for them.

To the hardship question, when things got crazy after Sandy Hook, I sold my stash of PMags for the whopping price of $20 each. The vast majority of them were resold within hours for triple that. One guy I met from the Triad told me how he’d been out of work for a year with back surgery and had just bought an AR to shoot with his 13-year old daughter but now couldn’t find mags. I sold him 15 at $15 each. Imagine his surprise when I walked into the Winston gun show a few days later to find him selling them on his table for insane money. I wish I had a picture of his speechless face. It did teach me a lesson about believing strangers’ hardship stories, or at least their ability to resist a quick buck so they can shoot with their kids.
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Excellent post. I sold a Win M1 carbine to an acquaintance begging me for it, said he was looking for years. Sold it for what I paid.In less than a week I found out he flipped it for a lousy $100. Never spoke to him again.
I don’t listen to sob stories anymore.
 
I have been on a buying spree. So far this year, I have purchased 4 new to me firearms. Two were new and two were new to me.

When I lived in the People's Socialist Republic of Kalifornia, I had to take a test every 5-years to prove to the state I knew how to safely handle a handgun. I could only buy one new handgun every 30-days and had to wait 10-days after I paid for it to pick it up.

It is nice to be able to get a new firearm anytime I want just by filling out a form, showing credentials, and being able to pay for it.
 
Budget dictates my purchases so nothing has changed. I managed to purchase one bucket list gun recently.

I'm certainly not the sharpest tool in this shed but imho I just don't think a Trump win is an apparent likelihood. He may very well win, or he may not.
Even if he does, what will that mean?
 
It is not going to matter. The idiots are going to nominate Bernie... and there will be a contest convention.
 
wvsig said:
It is not going to matter. The idiots are going to nominate Bernie... and there will be a contest convention.
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Today they were discussing about how it may avoid a contested convention if "The Bernstien" continues the pace from AZ. Sounds to me like the young heads full of mush may carry the socialist bastard through.

Our education system at work eh!
 
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Ben Jefferson said:
Today they were discussing about how it may avoid a contested convention if "The Bernstien" continues the pace from AZ. Sounds to me like the young heads full of mush may carry the socialist bastard through.

Our education system at work eh!
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It is easy to be a socialist if you have no money and no real prospects of making any. Too many young people have made bad education decisions and do not have real prospects for real salaries so Bernies plan looks appealing.
 
ECNC said:
Figure shot shells should be fairly easy to get no matter what happens.
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I really want to replace my old beater shotgun with something nice, but even pump shotguns (and even black pump shotguns) are way down on the ban list. I'm pretty sure you can even buy those in CA. Makes no sense to spend money on low probability ban 'wants' when we know other 'wants' will get knocked off the list as soon as Ds get power.
 
Starkherz199 said:
This is just wrong. You are trying to impute a moral wrong where it doesn't belong. First off, as long as the buyer has the choice to decline the purchase, then it is part of the "open and free market" that we enjoy with one another, irregardless of government intrusion.
Speculators and profiteers are a necessary part of the free and open market. Otherwise said "panicked unprepared buyer " would not have a way to acquire what they are panicked to get.
If Mike did the due dilligance to research and understand future markets, especially when possible political outcomes may adversely impact them, then he should be rewarded for his forward thinking by charging 1500$ for a 500$ rifle that he stockpiled if...the buyer is willing to pay.

To start with...price is never fixed. It is flexible and fluctuates with demand. The gun you get for 700$ today costed me 1500$ back in 2007. It all works out.

Secondly,
And here I qualify my statement with a big "except in case of hardship"
I have a hard time understanding how any gun rights supporter that has looked at the political landscape since 2012, and has failed to deduce the dire need to acquire mass quantities of guns and ammo should be sympathized with. The writing has been on the wall for a long time now. If, at this point, you have failed to prepare...then you deserve to pay triple price. I'm not saying you have to...just you deserve to.

I for one am sick of fence sitters. A lot of gun supporters have been on the sidelines not getting involved in the fight. Well...they might have to pay for that apathy. Some people just need to learn a hard lesson. It will do them good.
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Sell at whatever price you can get. If you have a gun that sells new now for $500 and someone wants your gun at $700 then they had the opportunity to shop. This is not like a hurricane and generators. Anti gun sentiment has been going on for more than 30 years. If the market is at $1500 then that is the market for what you paid $500 for ten years earlier. Anyone who disagrees should sell their home which has a market value of $300,000 for $150,000 they paid for it.
 
I’ll also add just an afterthought to the “price gouging”....buying 10,000 rounds of .22lr isn’t necessarily a “life or death” scenario. I doubt many of us here would deny a friend a firearm to legit defend themselves in times of trouble. But expecting people to offer current day prices on a future day market is just silly. As mentioned above, it’s like not selling your house for a profit just because you want to be fair. Not like leaving a friend out in the cold because they lost theirs.


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"Take the guns first. Worry about due process second." - Donald Trump

No matter who wins an election, gun rights lose. The 2A means nothing to any party. Buy as much good kit as your budget allows. You can always do better. Better guns, optics, accessories, body gear. Don't just get a PSA AR and call it good. That's level 1. Go as far as you can.
 
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I have never looked at having more than I need as a profit center. I look at it as being able to provide like minded individuals that shared my beliefs, but did not have the resources to prepare, with what they need to accomplish the task at hand.
 
FritztheCat said:
I have never looked at having more than I need as a profit center. I look at it as being able to provide like minded individuals that shared my beliefs, but did not have the resources to prepare, with what they need to accomplish the task at hand.
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If somebody genuinely NEEDS something, I don't mind sharing what I have. But nobody NEEDS 20 Pmags or thousands of rounds of .22LR. And if the market is hot I'm selling at market prices.

Before the 2012 panic I had no idea how many Pmags people wanted. To hear some folks talk they were so crucial they couldn't shoot if they couldn't buy more Pmags. So I bought a bunch, and they sit in my closet waiting for the next time people who didn't prepare will pay $50 each for them.

I didn't have a job before the 2008 panic, so I couldn't stockpile then. I didn't complain, just bought what I could and survived.

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No one needs 20 Pmags...until you decide on keeping a 5 mag for rifle minimum...

No one has ever said “Things we’re going great, until we realized we just had too many magazines.”


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