Ken Hackathorn analyzes Red Dot Sights on handguns and gives the pros and cons

Most likely because anyone who is carrying and using a higher quality RDS isn't having any issues making it a non-issue.

Side note: I had some of the same issues with Romeo and Romeo1 pro and switched over to RMRs/ Holosuns

A quick search yielded varying results for RMRs and Holosuns with the brightness settings turned up. RMR battery life is 35,000 hours (or 4 years) stored outside an RMR in a cool dark spot. If I had a gun I used exclusively for EDC with RDS, I don't think I'd trust the batteries over 3-6 months before I changed them out. That includes shake awake and continuous on technologies, and every kind of RDS. A pair of CR2032 batteries for RMR run about $7, so 4x $7 is not too much per year to ensure the weapon works as required. It's not a negative or a criticism, just an observation, not unlike keeping the lint cleaned out of a pocket carry gun if it's carried every day.

Now it does seem to me that the newer low-profiles RDS with normal height co-witness sights might be less of a problem if the dot was dead during a daylight draw. But the mental confusion that comes from looking for a dot that ain't there might put one behind the curve in a real gunfight situation.
 
Polymer handguns have been around since the mid-80's (G-17) and haven't changed dramatically much since then.

MRDS has only been completely refined for handguns in the last 5 years. You can't equate the use of a frame mounted tube sight to the impact a slide mounted MRDS takes...Thats not even close in the amount of force exerted on the sight and the mounting screws.

I started shooting red dot sights on competition handguns in the 80's. It was very common to take the scopes apart and epoxy all the connections on an annual basis. And everyone, I mean everyone had a back up gun.

MRDS on handguns is not a "little bit more maintenance"..its exponentially more maintenance.
It requires committed, periodic optic/mount checking, screw checking, and regular battery changes.

Metal fixed sights have zero maintenance.

I am an advocate of MRDS..heck I shoot better with them!
Do I need them on my gun to win in a fight? Confidently, I can say no. Unless I have to make head shots at 50 yards I think I am OK.

Slide-ride dots have been around (with or without milling) since 2010 or so. I had a Gen 1 RMR on an FN45 back in 2011–it was a demo gun for cans. Had probably 6K rounds through it by late 2012, and there were zero issues. Optics have only gotten more optimized since then.

I think you might be understating the issues with iron sights and overstating the issues with properly installed modern optics.

Metal iron sights are not maintenance-free. They are just as prone to getting occluded with lint, debris, mud, dirt, and body hair as anything else. They need to be visually inspected after impacts and shooting sessions to confirm they haven’t moved or come loose. My old duty gun rear sight drifted almost completely out of the dovetail when I fell on it during a fight (Glock 21). Oversized Glock front sights (suppressor and/or tritium) bend and break at the tiny mounting screw if they are not installed properly and still need to be checked somewhat regularly, at least after exposure to high temperatures, vibration, or impact. Fiber optics break, tritium inserts come loose if exposed to certain solvents, heck, plain serrated sights can pick up dings and rust that ruin the sight picture.

Like anything, even fixed irons require PMCS and occasional repairs/replacement.

One the other hand, most “problems” with modern optics come from their proliferation with low-info consumers. If you spend the coin on a quality sight, buy quality batteries, use quality mounts/hardware, and properly clean and torque everything during mounting, the only way for something to go wrong is a true manufacturing defect (e.g. early circuit boards in Leupold DPPs).

Most consumers don’t know how to take these steps—they think blue loctite on dirty screws, twisted “tight,” is mounting an optic and/or a plate. They trust the factory assembly line install, which is almost never done properly (ahem, SIG). Most consumers don’t witness mark. They don’t use compressed air to clean the lenses every couple days. Most can’t even shoot well enough to zero the darn things.

Those people have access to the internet and take classes and visit ranges, and voila, now optics are “high maintenance” and more failure-prone than irons. They’re just not, and haven’t been for years. Buy quality, install correctly, blow off debris, check them after impacts, use witness marks—all the same steps as maintaining irons.

The only differences are battery changes and depending on the model brightness management.
 
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Now it does seem to me that the newer low-profiles RDS with normal height co-witness sights might be less of a problem if the dot was dead during a daylight draw. But the mental confusion that comes from looking for a dot that ain't there might put one behind the curve in a real gunfight situation.

Not trying to deflect this. IMO based on my experiences this is a "Know your" equipment issue and can greatly be mitigated into an almost non-existent issue. If you edc a RDS it takes zero time when you put it on to see if there is a dot and the brightness level.

As to the what if in a gunfight and you are trying to find a dot- what's your level of training? In what circumstance/ scenario are you in? If you don't see the RDS are you still pulling the trigger? In CQB/ CCW distances I'd wager this is a non-issue as you are getting several shots off where the error of missing POA /accuracy is negligible. I'm in no way saying you shouldn't aim but based on skill and fundamentals, distance etc.... Do you need perfect aim & accuracy to get hits? Not sure what data/ testing would show but how many trained people in a gunfight are waiting to find the dot before firing?

I had a DPP come lose in a match on the 2nd run lost power the ipsc silhouettes were within 25yrds and I had not noticed it turned off the 1st target cost me ____ time. I certainly increased my charlies and deltas but didn't miss any targets or drop shots. My question would be under stress and a trained individual if you have NPA and solid fundamentals, how many people aren't taking shot/shots that will result in a hit. How many shots would they take before noticing the dot wasn't on?? I'd very much like to see this - may have to come up with a few test blindly turning RDS off.... I'd bet under time and stress if its 15yrds or closer there will be a # of shots on target before the person mentally figures out the RDS isn't on.
 
Not trying to deflect this. IMO based on my experiences this is a "Know your" equipment issue and can greatly be mitigated into an almost non-existent issue. If you edc a RDS it takes zero time when you put it on to see if there is a dot and the brightness level.

While this is basically true, some of the most unreliable machines during my lifetime were battery powered. I can't tell you the number of times when automobile batteries went dead with no "apparent" warning, no slowing of the starter, etc. But batteries and the machines they power are much better today than they have been in the distant past.
 
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How many shots would they take before noticing the dot wasn't on?? I'd very much like to see this - may have to come up with a few test blindly turning RDS off.... I'd bet under time and stress if its 15yrds or closer there will be a # of shots on target before the person mentally figures out the RDS isn't on.
I can't disagree with this. At self-defense distances within 30 feet or so, I'll be yanking the trigger with the pistol pointed toward the target. It's one reason I like high-cap magazines in my HD and carry guns.
 
I can't tell you the number of times when automobile batteries went dead with no "apparent" warning, no slowing of the starter, etc.
Truth.

Earlier this year I got in my 2017 F150 with original battery, cranked right up, drove five miles to my destination. Parked, walked into store, then back out maybe ten minutes later. Lights are automatic shut off. Got in truck, “click, click, click”. Got it started with a jumper pack and drove straight to a parts house.

Last week I was using a Streamlight flashlight with CR123 battery. Turned it off for a few, then had to turn it back on. Came on dim then nuthing. I’ve had the light a long time, been through a lot of batteries. Took battery out and reinserted. Nuthin’. Put in a new battery.
 
taking a red dot class with a knowledgeable instructor will go a long way. Ohh wait didn’t we take classes for years with iron sights to get better.

All I know is that personally for me I carry a rds, train with a rds. My training one has 12,225 rds through it. Just like mentioned before, i prepped and cleaned everything before mounting, used loctite, torqued screws to spec, then witnessed markef them.
I run holosun 507c and change the batteries annually.
For carry gun, i confirm dot is on when i put it on, then i do a cpl of dry reps with it, the same as I used to do with my irons.
 
By the way, it probably seems like I am anti-RDS in my sentiment. I am not. I am considering going to RDS on my carry, HD and competition gun(s). I just want to make sure I have all the bases covered before I do. I don't want to do most of my training for competition, which I would, on guns with optics and then carry and keep for HD guns that don't have optics. I feel like all those platforms should be similar as to sights.
 
While I'm not exactly disagreeing I think this is a separate and missing part of the conversations and thought processes for many people. This could easily fall into the training, experience, and maintenance categories. Certainly not saying that these things don't or never happen but I don't see it as much of an issue. It goes into the KNOW your equipment and figure out what works part.

As to failing the same thing could apply to cheaper ARs or out-of-spec factory rifles or just poorly missed parts. (I'll assume) we have all been on the range/ class/ match and seen someone using a lesser-quality item fail and succeed just the same as top spec. Or just someone without proper knowledge miss or forget specs/ alignment and their "firearm" not work as intended. It's a know your equipment = training, maintenance, experience issue

Not arguing but disagree on the maintenance- exponentially more maintenance??? Perhaps.. with lower or lesser quality parts or when not properly set up
When set up properly with quality parts and have a simple routine of maintenance its not much of an issue. Do they occasionally require checking and maintenance absolutely and yes more than iron sights but is it really that big of an issue and require "exponentially more" _________?? For me no for someone getting started maybe. Absolutely should be a part of the thought process and conversation.

Steve Fisher is a full time trainer and has busted 4 Trijicon RMR's in the last 12 months. Thats "exponentially"...
 
. I have many RDS guns. I have many non RDS guns. I am proficient with both.
Folks, I have known this shooter for over 30 years. To quote the builder Jubalum...What he professes he can deliver.....he is a Shooter.
Ole Pard, it would be grand to see you here next Saturday for our Fall Gathering.....there will be shooting....that alone usually scares off most.
 
Folks, I have known this shooter for over 30 years. To quote the builder Jubalum...What he professes he can deliver.....he is a Shooter.
Ole Pard, it would be grand to see you here next Saturday for our Fall Gathering.....there will be shooting....that alone usually scares off most.

Still always a student, never a Master! (Except on paper LOL)...I have to come up your way this winter some..will holler and bring a RED DOT!
 
I've made my feelings known so this is where I just say its a slide lock vs a slide release and the the Remington 870 vs the Mossberg 500 and let things continue to go off the rails because people are emotional about what they know best and have to argue for their ego lol
 
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