Landowner beaten by deer "hunters."

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My dad had an old customer with a good sized farm outside of Raeford many years ago. A couple of recent parolees decided to fish one of his ponds on posted land. The old landowner asked them to leave. They beat him to death right there.
 
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i didn't read the story...
would "poachers" be a better word than "hunters?"
seems like the headline is very misleading and "accidentally" gives the impression that hunters are dangerous, as opposed to poachers being the ones that are not so trustworthy or safe.
 
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But yeah, "encourage" trespassers and poachers to leave. Then be ready to enforce your private property rights.

Legal question: if trespassers trespassed for the purpose of hunting where they knew they didn't have permission -ergo, intention of poaching - isn't that criminal trespass?
 
Windini said:
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But yeah, "encourage" trespassers and poachers to leave. Then be ready to enforce your private property rights.

Legal question: if trespassers trespassed for the purpose of hunting where they knew they didn't have permission -ergo, intention of poaching - isn't that criminal trespass?
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Yes that’s criminal trespassing. Of course charges have to be pressed by the landowner.
 
It didn’t say if these particular delinquents were dog hunting, but dog hunters are the worst about it. “My dog doesn’t know property lines” is what I was told one night when three idiots were in my mom’s front yard right outside her bedroom window with flashlights. They talked a little shit til they realized the flashlight shining in their faces was on the end of a rifle.
When you see a headline that says “three trespassers killed for assaulting property owner”, people might start to think about boundaries being there for a reason.
 
Windini said:
Did not click: M S N

But yeah, "encourage" trespassers and poachers to leave. Then be ready to enforce your private property rights.

Legal question: if trespassers trespassed for the purpose of hunting where they knew they didn't have permission -ergo, intention of poaching - isn't that criminal trespass?
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Only if it's clearly posted, IIRC. That's key, post a no trespassing sign. Which reminds me, I need some No Hunting signs/tape.

As far as that dogs can't read excuse, well, they better learn.
 
Burt Gummer said:
It didn’t say if these particular delinquents were dog hunting, but dog hunters are the worst about it. “My dog doesn’t know property lines” is what I was told one night when three idiots were in my mom’s front yard right outside her bedroom window with flashlights. They talked a little shit til they realized the flashlight shining in their faces was on the end of a rifle.
When you see a headline that says “three trespassers killed for assaulting property owner”, people might start to think about boundaries being there for a reason.
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Most places I’ve lived all their dogs would be shot.
 
NKD said:
Most places I’ve lived all their dogs would be shot.
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I didn't want to shoot the dog when it happened to me, but I really wanted to shoot the arseholes that came looking for it, armed and trespassing.
 
The hunters themselves should have every charge thrown at them that will stick. That’s inexcusable and a good reason to avoid hunting Holly Shelter.

I don’t deer hunt anymore and only ever dog hunted by invite. That said the fact that several here would want to eliminate the dogs is disgusting. If they’re not aggressive to people, pets or livestock then call the owners or let them go. If you’re patient the sport itself is dying and I imagine it will be gone from most of NC in the next decade.
 
Burt Gummer said:
It didn’t say if these particular delinquents were dog hunting, but dog hunters are the worst about it. “My dog doesn’t know property lines” is what I was told one night when three idiots were in my mom’s front yard right outside her bedroom window with flashlights. They talked a little shit til they realized the flashlight shining in their faces was on the end of a rifle.
When you see a headline that says “three trespassers killed for assaulting property owner”, people might start to think about boundaries being there for a reason.
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My shotgun pellets don’t know the difference between dog flesh and human flesh.
 
A lot of stupid in that article.

#1 dog hunters. I don’t give a damn about your tradition, stay off my property.

#2 Blocking the idiot trespasser’s trucks so they can’t leave…because they’re trespassing.

#3 beating the snot out of someone over a hunting issue

There’s no good guys here (but if the arseholes with dogs were’t arseholes it would’ve been avoided)
 
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Never did any dog hunting, haven't had any interactions with folks doing it, good or bad. I'm all for hunting in whatever manner is legal, as long as you are doing it legally. The biggest complaints I hear are about dogs and people trespassing onto other peoples land. Why can't you just run dogs on property big enough where the dogs can't run off the property. If you can't find land big enough, before you buy or lease, talk to neighboring owners, work out all scenarios in advance. Set hard boundaries that you don't cross, or shoot across/into. Don't trespass, be a good neighbor.
 
I grew up hunting dogs with deer and if you have the land and the right people it can be a lot of fun. But times have changed. Land has been cut up into "farmettes" or some other such crap, new subdivisions, more traffic, you name it. But to allow dog hunting for deer, or bear to some extent, with large breeds of hounds on public land is a bit foolish, whether the dogs enter adjacent private lands or not. One does not know where others may be hunting, whether they are sitting on the ground or in a tree, or simply walking around. To line up standers on roads or paths on game lands and run dogs is asking for trouble.

I've had problems with dogs running across my land on many occasions. And I've heard the old bull about the dogs not being able to read signs. I told them I didn't put the signs up for the dogs! Or some flathead saying that he cared more for his dogs than his wife. I told them they sure didn't think much of their wives. The only way to break them is to shoot the deer in front of their dogs. They hate that! Nothing pisses them off more than to hear the dogs running followed by a shot and the dogs quitting. I started doing that for a few years and they pretty well quit running dogs across my property. Especially if you thank them later for running that "big buck" by you (even though it may have only been a doe). After a while they start thinking that every time they drop a tail gate and the dogs end up on that private property that SOB shoots their deer.
 
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And confiscated their equipment to be tuned over to the Game Warden.
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I know they can if you have actually poached something. Not sure on just trespassing, which is all NCWRC will be dealing with on this if nothing was killed.

georgel said:
Only if it's clearly posted, IIRC. That's key, post a no trespassing sign. Which reminds me, I need some No Hunting signs/tape.

As far as that dogs can't read excuse, well, they better learn.
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Purple paint will do the same thing. I put up signs and painted trees on our place recently.

Tim said:
A lot of stupid in that article.

#1 dog hunters. I don’t give a damn about your tradition, stay off my property.

#2 Blocking the idiot trespasser’s trucks so they can’t leave…because they’re trespassing.

#3 beating the snot out of someone over a hunting issue

There’s no good guys here (but if the arseholes with dogs were’t arseholes it would’ve been avoided)
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Ever been on any of those dirt roads? Just pulling in behind somebody can block them in. This is ALL on the morons trespassing. They knew what they were doing and got pissed off when they were caught. Just a shame the guys confronting them were not armed.
 
I was renting a farm from an older man about 20 yrs ago and the four-wheel drive trucks and hunters who kept tearing down the crops just simply kept doing what they were doing even after being asked to leave and not tear up the crops. Another thing they did was burn tires in the fields at night while they were coon hunting and nightlighting deer. I'm talking as many as 10-15 trucks down there at any given time. We always had to go behind them and clean up the old wire the burned tires left so it wouldn't get caught in the farm implements. They did this for years as the old man kept extending patience to them.

Just imagine a 106 acre farm surrounded by swampland with one road and ONE section of 20 foot tile in a very wide ditch to access the farm. One Saturday morning around 11 am he saw a bunch of trucks going in and headed to the back of the farm he owned. He simply drove his excavator down to the only access road and dug the entire thing up and hauled the 20 foot section of tile home on a trailer. Bingo...........within 20 minutes he had ended all of his problems and theirs was just beginning.

They tried to get out and begged the old man to let them put railroad ties across the wide ditch beside the highway to get all of the trucks out. His answer: NO. All of them were caked in mud completely from going four-wheeling in his fields at the back of the farm and now parked beside the open ditch and a crowd was gathering. Sheriff's deputies were called out there by some of the ones stuck across the ditch while everyone tried to figure out what to do. The old man wouldn't budge even for the deputies and other neighbors almost begging him to let the guys get their trucks out. His answer: Get a helicopter.

He sat in his truck the entire time well armed and refusing to allow anyone to put something across the ditch to get out. He said, "put something on the DOT right of way but do not let it touch my land." lol If I remember correctly it was the next day before any of the vehicles were allowed to put something across the ditch and leave his property.

Some of us in the community still laugh about his nerve and actions to stop the emboldened trespassers who had grossly underestimated what he was prepared to do. He's been deceased for quite a while now, but well remembered as a man that would give you the shirt off his back but had simply had enough of those determined to take advantage of his laid back personality.

I miss him.
 
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Brangus said:
Some of us in the community still laugh about his nerve and actions to stop the emboldened trespassers who had grossly underestimated what he was prepared to do. He's been deceased for quite a while now, but well remembered as a man that would give you the shirt off his back but had simply had enough of those determined to take advantage of his laid back personality.
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And I'll bet for the rest of his life he never had another problem with that kind of behavior.
 
The poachers should have the snot stomped out of them.

That said, I would not have done what the lease owner did. Get the tag numbers, call the game warden, and observe. He knew well that the dudes coming out of the woods were all going to be armed. So he confronts them by blocking their exit. Very macho, and stupid and got his tail stomped for it. Doesn’t make it right what the poachers did, not by a long shot. But the owner put himself in a situation that had ever possible chance to go south, and it did.
 
I used to still-hunt on leased property. I paid every year for the lease as member of the hunt club. We had just under 700 acres with national forest on 1 side and swampy gamelands on another. There was a road behind a church on the 3rd side along the edge of the swamp, and a big farm on the far side from the swamp. We had food plots and lots of nice-sized deer.

A group of dog hunters would drop their dogs off on the swamp road and run them through our lease toward the farm, running deer ahead and spoiling hunting for us for most of the day.

The president of our hunt club was an old crotchety cuss with just about 0 f's to give. He knew the leader of the dog hunting group and had talked to him several times with no result.

Bob sat out to solve the problem. He waited on our lease until the dogs came in. He caught several and put them in his box on the back of his truck, and drove to our gate and waited.

When the owners showed up looking for their dogs, Bob told them the next time he would hang their radio collars on the gate after he buried the dogs. This didn't go over well, and one of the dog owners threatened to kick his butt, and approached aggressively. Bob put his .357 in the guy's face, and said "Come on. I'll only have to bury YOU once; save me killing a bunch of innocent dogs."

He waited a minute or two, and told them to take their dogs and NOT come back.

They left, and called the law. Bob told them exactly what happened, and as it was 1 75 year old man vs 3 40-ish young guys, after a lot of talk no charges were filed on either side.

Did pretty much end our dog problems until after Bob passed.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
i didn't read the story...
would "poachers" be a better word than "hunters?"
seems like the headline is very misleading and "accidentally" gives the impression that hunters are dangerous, as opposed to poachers being the ones that are not so trustworthy or safe.
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Dumb azz rednecks is a more befitting description.
 
I did not read the article but it sounds like some guys were where they shouldn’t have been beat somebody that was. They were wrong and should be dealt with accordingly.
In regards to hunting with dogs.....
This is one of the oldest traditions of mankind that survive today. I dare say, dogs wouldn’t be around if it weren’t for hunting. I remember a time, not long ago, that people welcomed dog hunters on their property. They could be trusted to rid the area of chicken killing varmints and also to let the landowner know of any issues that may need addressing.
Many years ago I was with a group of old timers coon hunting. We came up on a downed fence. The property owners prized bull had got out. We found the bull, got him back inside, and mended the fence. The dogs were long gone, still on the trail. The dog owner picked them up the next day after they showed up at someone else’s house.
I don’t know what happened to the respect and etiquette of yesterday.
There are still dog boxes at crossroads in Richmond County for people to place lost/found hunting dogs in.
I bred, trained and run mostly squirrel dogs years ago and never had a problem. My last and best treedog passed away almost 2 years ago. I think some guys are still using retired racing greyhound’s on coyotes in the plains states.
Times are a changing but some of you guys should go on a squirrel hunt with a good dog, it just might shock you at what dogs can really do. It’s beautiful...
 
To me these guys are not hunters,not because of the dogs but their actions.where I'm from people used to get buried for that type of crap. I can't say in my younger days I haven't shot dogs running deer but it was illegal there. Either way they should get the book thrown at them but will probably get a wrist slap. They should at least lose any and all hunting/fishing privileges in my eyes. In Tennessee you lose everything you got with you if you do serious crimes during hunting.
 
Tim said:
A lot of stupid in that article.

#1 dog hunters. I don’t give a damn about your tradition, stay off my property.

#2 Blocking the idiot trespasser’s trucks so they can’t leave…because they’re trespassing.

#3 beating the snot out of someone over a hunting issue

There’s no good guys here (but if the arseholes with dogs were’t arseholes it would’ve been avoided)
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This is exactly what was going to post. Everyone involved in that story sounds like they suck. We were commenting on someone thread the other day about “detaining” people…this is what happens when you do..

Not at all defending the hunters actions as it sounds like they were dicks and escalated the situation to the level it got to but if I’m out hunting or doing anything and find myself on somebody’s property (it would be unintentional on my part if if did) and you try to block me in to prevent me from leaving….we’re gonna have some issues to say the least.
 
Downeast said:
Landowners here in NC have very few rights. Catch trespassers, take them the court and the Judge wags his finger at them and tells them not to do it again. But let a trespasser hurt himself on your property and he will sue YOU!
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cant sue ya if they fall into the hog pen
 
A LOT of stupid here. I won't go into that of the trespassers, because that's a given.

Hunters trespassing and two people approach them?

Hunters = armed. And deer hunters aren't likely to be armed with sharp sticks and rocks. They're going to have guns.

If they're trespassing like described, they obviously don't give a $#!t about property rights and therefore are likely to lean on the belligerent side. Belligerence and guns are a poor mix to go stepping into.

Put dogs in the mix, especially dogs belonging to belligerent idiots, and you've got another wild card in the mix.

And I'm sorry...you can't go deliberately blocking people from leaving on the one hand and then tell them to get off your property on the other hand.

As soon as the nephew called, he should have had the nephew back off, called the sheriff, and gone to ensure his nephew got out OK...and taken pictures/video along the way.

And stayed on the phone with law enforcement the entire time.

Potentially losing your life, or even your health, over the actions of unpredictable, armed idiots isn't doing yourself or your family any good.

Now, on the other hand, eff these people and eff them in court. And I hope all three get shafted in the legal system.
 
Burt Gummer said:
It didn’t say if these particular delinquents were dog hunting, but dog hunters are the worst about it. “My dog doesn’t know property lines” is what I was told one night when three idiots were in my mom’s front yard right outside her bedroom window with flashlights. They talked a little shit til they realized the flashlight shining in their faces was on the end of a rifle.
When you see a headline that says “three trespassers killed for assaulting property owner”, people might start to think about boundaries being there for a reason.
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Dog hunters:i “My dog doesn’t know property lines”.

Land owner: “That’s why I’m talking to you and not the dog.”
 
A lot of trash is hunting on public lands now making them not as safe as they once were. Most of the scum got kicked out of legitimate clubs and now have nowhere else to "hunt". From stealing dogs, trash, vandalism, drugs, to stolen vehicles and dumping bodies. It's all there.
 
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