LAPD 'Dillon Girl' officer sued for shooting, killing man who advanced with a 'box cutter'

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/lapd-top-shot-officer-sued-shooting-man-box-cutter

n LAPD ‘top shot’ who had become somewhat of a social media darling is facing a lawsuit after she fatally shot a man who appeared to advance towards her with a knife.

Toni McBride, 23, shot and killed Daniel Hernandez, 38 on April 22. A lawsuit was filed on behalf of Hernandez’s 14-year-old daughter, claiming that McBride had “reckless, violent and homicidal propensities,” the Daily Mail reported.

As a member of the Newton Division in South Central Los Angeles, McBride and her partner responded to a multiple-vehicle collision, with a suspect carrying a “folding utility-type knife” confronting her and ignoring commands to drop the weapon, the LAPD report stated. McBride shot four times and killed the suspect, later identified as Hernandez.
 
Ya know......... if guns are drawn and I'm not in this fight.... you don't have to tell me to get out of the area. People are idiots.....
 
Can officers be sued individually if they are executing the responsibilities of their position? I think anyone can sue for anything, but unless they get the police dept to throw her under the bus on this they’ll have to sue the dept. Dept will likely settle for the cost of the litigation.
 
Something I noticed ... the first video taken by the Hispanic man has another man saying they didn’t need to shot him to which the other man said yes they did because he had a knife. Not all people taking videos are blind to the whole picture ... even non-white people see a threat from a person shot because of not following orders.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
6 rounds fired......
Why did you shoot this man 6 times?

Because I shot him 5 times and he didn't stop.
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Wonder if the fact she fired 3 sets of double taps instead of cutting loose with a 6 round blast will be seen as some form of control of her awareness and a plus?
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
6 rounds fired......
Why did you shoot this man 6 times?

Because I shot him 5 times and he didn't stop.
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You joke, but i got myself into a bit of hot water in a similar situation at a lab meeting. For some dumb reason, the prof had decided to bring politics in, probably because there was some other sensationalized self-defense shooting. the prof said something like "well why would you ever need a gun that shoots more than 5 bullets?" and without thinking I said "in case I need to shoot a 6th time".
That did not go over well.
He pulled me aside to yell at me later. I was just like "how many times have you seen the news stories about chicago, new york, or right here in detroit where X number of people got shot and Y number of people died? Pay attention and you'll see that only about 1/5 of people actually die from getting shot, which means they're still able to present a threat. Now look at any of the articles you see about the number of times 'trained police' shooting and how many times the suspect was hit - i'll be generous and say that's also 1/5... so you've got 1/5 and 1/5, which means to fire a shot AND have it kill somebody is about 1/25, statistically. You have 2 kids and a wife. If somebody was trying to hurt them, how many bullets do you WANT to have, knowing that each one only has a 1/25 chance of killing the person who is attacking them." He admitted that he'd want every opportunity to protect HIS family and...
Suddenly he had better things to do than argue with me and kicked me out of his office.
I think he really just hated me because he was trying to run off with the female grad student and I had warned him not to get involved months earlier...
 
Yeah, she's one of the Taran Tactical girls and one of my favorites. Personally, it seemed like she had command of the situation the whole time. Good voice commands, measured, methodical, never panicked, including the shots fired. And it looked like every one was a hit. Just sayin' ;)

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BTW, I think there is a reload in there.
 
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Counter suit because the DRT with the knife displayed “reckless, violent and homicidal propensities”
 
Button Pusher said:
Counter suit because the DRT with the knife displayed “reckless, violent and homicidal propensities”
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And suicidal. Mentioned multiple times, including to the officer on scene by a witness. Suicide by cop?

"He's trying to kill himself."
"He caused the accident."
 
Wow. There was a huge crowd on the sidewalk behind that shoot. Good thing those shots were accurate. Justified but lawyer fees will be financially devastating.
 
Schattenreiter said:
No. Some of them can't hit the broad side of a barn. I seen some of them shoot.
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Just look at NYPD, always one or more mag dumps per officer who fires service weapon, with NYPD trigger.
Nothing has changed, they fired 41 rounds with 19 hitting an unarmed man as he had his wallet in hand. One cop tripped and fell down, others thought he was shot, made Swiss cheese of the legal immigrant on his front porch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo
 
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I didn't see anything in the video that seemed wrong. She stopped shooting right away once he stopped coming. What more could she have done?
 
Schattenreiter said:
No. Some of them can't hit the broad side of a barn. I seen some of them shoot.
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In the post I meant they are villainized as assassins a big part of the time.
Bailey Boat said:
+1 and more zero's than the screen can handle, and I've seen a LOT of them shoot. I'd hate to be on the street partnered with most of them...
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As to quite a few of their marksmanship skills ... bad enough to not hit a wall from inside the barn! BUT they still actually think they are good. I saw one LEO who was working a target at 7 freakin’ yards and thought she was killing it ... my shotgun patterns better at 15 yards than her target was.
 
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Button Pusher said:
Just look at NYPD, always one or more mag dumps per officer who fires service weapon, with NYPD trigger.
Nothing has changed, they fired 41 rounds with 19 hitting an unarmed man as he had his wallet in hand. One cop tripped and fell down, others thought he was shot, made Swiss cheese of the legal immigrant on his front porch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo
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If you have netflix, there is a documentary series called TRIAL BY MEDIA. one of the episodes is on amadou. I haven't watched it yet, but i'm gonna. I did watch the one on Bernard Goetz and thought it was pretty okay. They did toss in some clips/interview Al Sharpton and my wife was confused why I started yelling at the tv right away, but then she listened to the Rev comparing a justified self defense shooting to KKK lynchings and was like "ah, okay then".

concepthomes1 said:
That expanded magwell on her gun to assist in reloads will be used against her.
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She didn't use it... but yeah, I saw that too and thought that it might hurt her. But it might help that glock has just released their own mag funnel because it won't be considered such niche/custom gear anymore. Seems like she was just addressing a weakness in the platform that the manufacturer acknowledges...
 
NCFubar said:
As to quite a few of their marksmanship skills ... bad enough to not hit a wall from inside the barn! BUT they still actually think they are good. I saw one LEO who was working a target at 7 freakin’ yards and thought she was killing it ... my shotgun patterns better at 15 yards than her target was.
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I was at an indoor range shooting carbine and transitioning to pistol when a dude came up and asked which agency I worked for. I was like "what?" He assumed that by me performing reasonably well on what he teaches considers "advanced" techniques in the classes he teaches to police/gov that I must be working with similar folks.
I was like "dude, I shoot the rifle until it's empty, let the sling take it, then draw and shoot my pistol. that's not really advanced". He very politely said something about how most police don't ever really practice that sort of thing.
 
I don't see anything wrong with an accessory to help you reload faster in a gunfight.
 
concepthomes1 said:
WE may not see anything wrong with it but it only takes 1 crooked lawyer to convince a jury that adding aftermarket accessories to a duty issued weapon shows a desire to make that weapon as easy to use as possible and by extension, the preferred response regardless of training.

*I’m only playing the devil’s advocate here.
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I agree, what about police having 17 rd mags vs a gunman with a stolen NY or CA compliant Glock wiht a 10 rd mag, office gunned him down. ;)
 
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DrScaryGuy said:
I was at an indoor range shooting carbine and transitioning to pistol when a dude came up and asked which agency I worked for. I was like "what?" He assumed that by me performing reasonably well on what he teaches considers "advanced" techniques in the classes he teaches to police/gov that I must be working with similar folks.
I was like "dude, I shoot the rifle until it's empty, let the sling take it, then draw and shoot my pistol. that's not really advanced". He very politely said something about how most police don't ever really practice that sort of thing.
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EXACTLY, lack of budget and time for training. We spend more time on the range them most law enforcement unless they do it on their own.
 
concepthomes1 said:
That expanded magwell on her gun to assist in reloads will be used against her.
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Anything will be used against you in court, should you ever be brought up on charges.

That's the nature of the beast.

That possibility alone should never be a factor in deciding what you should carry.

Learn the law, understand what it really says and means, and do your darndest to make sure and shooting you have to be involved in is a "good" shooting in the eyes of that same law.
 
Button Pusher said:
I agree, what about police having 17 rd mags vs a gunman with a stolen NY or CA compliant Glock wiht a 10 rd mag, office gunned him down. ;)
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I believe police should have the same gun restricts that are imposed by, federal, state, and local laws.
 
concepthomes1 said:
That expanded magwell on her gun to assist in reloads will be used against her.
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The idea that making some mods to a weapons somehow make it more deadly is ludicrous. Its a firearm so of course its deadly. This is nothing more than one of these gun forum myths. Can a prosecutor try to use this type of angle......sure thats what they do, they will also use her modeling for a reloading manufacturer, but show me a verifiable case where a person involved in an otherwise totally justifiable shooting went to jail because of a legal gun modification.

Don't let this BS influence your firearms and ammo choices.
 
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DrScaryGuy said:
She didn't use it... but yeah, I saw that too and thought that it might hurt her. But it might help that glock has just released their own mag funnel because it won't be considered such niche/custom gear anymore. Seems like she was just addressing a weakness in the platform that the manufacturer acknowledges...
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I see mag funnels on double stack magazine guns these days and think, What?? I came from single stack 1911's and double stack guns with the naturally big mag wells and tapered magazines make mag funnels seem redundant. Try reloading a single stack in an unmodified 1911. ;)
 
Schattenreiter said:
No. Some of them can't hit the broad side of a barn. I seen some of them shoot.
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The police's job isn't to go out and shoot people and the gun is the last tool they should use. The training is only for liability purposes, not to make them better killers.
 
pirate said:
The idea that making some mods to a weapons somehow make it more deadly is ludicrous. Its a firearm so of course its deadly. This is nothing more than one of these gun forum myths. Can a prosecutor try to use this type of angle......sure they will also use her modeling for a reloading manufacturer, but show me a verifiable case where a person involved in an otherwise totally justifiable shooting went to jail because of a legal gun modification.
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It's not about the gun, it's about the mindset of the user. If you do all of that flair on your weapon it looks to some people that you are wanting to try it out.

We are talking about a civil trial here, jail isn't a question. And a jury doesn't need to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. 51% sure is enough to carry a verdict.
 
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