LMAO: Leftest Radio Host buying Gun; Peaceful Protestors Torch His Apt.

yeah, but trump was still wrong then. in fact, the protests were peaceful when he said they were violent, but his comments made the police get worse and CAUSED the protesters to get violent...

am i antifaing right?
 
What makes me sad is they think a gun is the solution. Untrained idiots don't need a gun. Like this poor dumb (and now dead) kid in Texas who brought an AK to the protest. There are a lot of people today under 30 who are about as mature as a typical high school kid of the 70's or 80's. I blame women. Somewhere a long the lines we started coddling everyone and giving participation trophies. I think more than half of these white people at these protests are clueless snowflakes throwing a temper tantrum. I guess i am getting old and crotchety.
 
Variable said:
What makes me sad is they think a gun is the solution. Untrained idiots don't need a gun. Like this poor dumb (and now dead) kid in Texas who brought an AK to the protest. There are a lot of people today under 30 who are about as mature as a typical high school kid of the 70's or 80's. I blame women. Somewhere a long the lines we started coddling everyone and giving participation trophies. I think more than half of these white people at these protests are clueless snowflakes throwing a temper tantrum. I guess i am getting old and crotchety.
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Your argument is 100% anti-gun and very dangerous. What you just typed is we the American people can not be TRUSTED with firearms. Only the few, the select few (trained) can be trusted with firearms.

Training is not and should NEVER be mandatory. I even hate the idea of the CCH class in NC we have to go to now.

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Its not women's fault, its the lack of fathers in the home and child's life fault. every other weekend and a phone call or two is not enough to raise a child. So for all the adults in this world, think a bit deeper before having kids.
 
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JBoyette said:
Your argument is 100% anti-gun and very dangerous. What you just typed is we the American people can not be TRUSTED with firearms. Only the few, the select few (trained) can be trusted with firearms.

Training is not and should NEVER be mandatory. I even hate the idea of the CCH class in NC we have to go to now.

Edit to add,

Its not women's fault, its the lack of fathers in the home and child's life fault. every other weekend and a phone call or two is not enough to raise a child. So for all the adults in this world, think a bit deeper before having kids.
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Not just anti-gun, but sexist a f, blaming women cause some folks arent mature? lol ok boomer

But, yes, what does that say about us/gun folks when some are saying others shouldnt own a firearm? Isnt that what the far left says about us/civilians?
 
Believe what you want. A gun does not solve your problems. It is a tool like anything else. People have a right to own a gun, but that doesn't mean i think a solution to a problem is buying a gun. We need less idiots with guns not more. I teach CCH and i see people come into classes who want a CCH and they have never fired a gun. I teach them in 8 hours as best i can and i take it very seriously. But i stress they need more training.

btw i have 4 kids, i have seen the wussification of males in this country in real time. I care about as much for your opinion as you do mine :)
 
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Not just anti-gun, but sexist a f, blaming women cause some folks arent mature? lol ok boomer

But, yes, what does that say about us/gun folks when some are saying others shouldnt own a firearm? Isnt that what the far left says about us/civilians?
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Yea, it was partly tongue in cheek and partly not. I saw it all play out when my boys played football. The mothers wanted to have a end of the season party and give out trophies to everyone so no one got their feelings hurt. It was a core of very vocal women who cared about how everyone felt about losing. They would say the scores don't matter. It was about feelings, and it didn't help the boys in the long run. A lot of kids quit playing sports. I heard lots of boys say at the end that they didn't want a trophy for last place. The boys knew what was up. Sports teaches you a lot of life lessons. Life is not about quitting and just because you try doesn't mean you win. I went through this stuff for 8-10 years of elementary school as the kids grew up. It was not like that when i was kid just 25 years earlier. Men were to blame because they didn't volunteer to do what the women did. I saw it in scouts too. No men volunteered so the women were teaching boys about scouts. Some years were better than others. Men need to take responsibility for letting it all happen. Somewhere we got lazy.

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JBoyette said:
Your argument is 100% anti-gun and very dangerous. What you just typed is we the American people can not be TRUSTED with firearms. Only the few, the select few (trained) can be trusted with firearms.

Training is not and should NEVER be mandatory. I even hate the idea of the CCH class in NC we have to go to now.
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For the sake of argument, I on the other hand believe training or at least education should be required if not mandatory, just like drivers ed. Maybe, like when getting a license, you can test out. But, if people don't get the education somewhere, how will they know? We've lost the father/grandfather tradition of hand me down knowledge. I think education is a key component. How much better public ranges would be if everyone had some safety training before hand. And if more were trained to a basic standard, more would call out those that were unsafe. More broad scale education might also reduce the unsubstantiated fear of guns that many have. Education would also possibly reduce the accidental shootings that occur all the time. People are not born with gun knowledge, just as they are not born with car knowledge or chain saw knowledge for that matter. They have to learn it from somewhere. And for them to just figure it out is risky for all.

Just sayin'
 
georgel said:
For the sake of argument, I on the other hand believe training or at least education should be required if not mandatory, just like drivers ed. Maybe, like when getting a license, you can test out. But, if people don't get the education somewhere, how will they know? We've lost the father/grandfather tradition of hand me down knowledge. I think education is a key component. How much better public ranges would be if everyone had some safety training before hand. And if more were trained to a basic standard, more would call out those that were unsafe. More broad scale education might also reduce the unsubstantiated fear of guns that many have. Education would also possibly reduce the accidental shootings that occur all the time. People are not born with gun knowledge, just as they are not born with car knowledge or chain saw knowledge for that matter. They have to learn it from somewhere. And for them to just figure it out is risky for all.

Just sayin'
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I am with @JBoyette you do not need training to use your 1st amendment. No training to use any amendments, PERIOD.
 
TSConver said:
I am with @JBoyette you do not need training to use your 1st amendment. No training to use any amendments, PERIOD.
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Well, I didn't say you needed speech training. :D

And I didn't say it barred ownership. But, I think everyone should have it. These goofballs at the range, how are they suppose to become safer? YouTube?
What about driving? Should anybody be able to drive on public roads without being able to demonstrate they can?
 
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I automatically have a distrust for anybody that uses the term CCH. Especially for those that say they teach it in NC.

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georgel said:
Well, I didn't say you needed speech training. :D

And I didn't say it barred ownership. But, I think everyone should have it. These goofballs at the range, how are they suppose to become safer? YouTube?
What about driving? Should anybody be able to drive on public roads without being able to demonstrate they can?
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Is training required to get married? Have children? Driving is a privileged. Firearm ownership is a right. Enough said.

However, I am all for training. I think it should be in every school. But to tie it in anyway to ownership definite no.

As far as ranges, they should take responsibility to insure the shooters are safe, many have a test you take, they should have to have a handling test to make sure people are safe. But that is to protect them and others. Again no relationship to ownership.
 
georgel said:
For the sake of argument, I on the other hand believe training or at least education should be required if not mandatory, just like drivers ed. Maybe, like when getting a license, you can test out. But, if people don't get the education somewhere, how will they know? We've lost the father/grandfather tradition of hand me down knowledge. I think education is a key component. How much better public ranges would be if everyone had some safety training before hand. And if more were trained to a basic standard, more would call out those that were unsafe. More broad scale education might also reduce the unsubstantiated fear of guns that many have. Education would also possibly reduce the accidental shootings that occur all the time. People are not born with gun knowledge, just as they are not born with car knowledge or chain saw knowledge for that matter. They have to learn it from somewhere. And for them to just figure it out is risky for all.

Just sayin'
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I think the biggest gap was the removal of the Draft. for Americans from 1942 until 1978 most males were introduced to basic firearm safety by the services.

Now, if a school offered basic firearm safety as a elective in high school I am all for it. BUT you wind up with government involvement that leads to getting training, then go get a permit, then go get,x,y,z We see it now with CCH permits.

Its a dangerous slope.
 
HMP said:
But, yes, what does that say about us/gun folks when some are saying others shouldnt own a firearm? Isnt that what the far left says about us/civilians?
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What is says is, I know whats best and you should do as I say. Its the same damn speech over and over again. to your other point, I truly think the worst generation this country ever produced was the baby boomers.
 
Variable said:
What makes me sad is they think a gun is the solution. Untrained idiots don't need a gun. Like this poor dumb (and now dead) kid in Texas who brought an AK to the protest. There are a lot of people today under 30 who are about as mature as a typical high school kid of the 70's or 80's. I blame women. Somewhere a long the lines we started coddling everyone and giving participation trophies. I think more than half of these white people at these protests are clueless snowflakes throwing a temper tantrum. I guess i am getting old and crotchety.
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Actually, later reports sound like that guy in Texas shot at the car first, and the guy in the car shot back. He wasn't a poor dumb kid, he got what he deserved.



Start at 5:40 for the bit about the guy in Texas.


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Sounds like this guy was just ignorant of the real goins on, not an active defender. I think we might be a bit harsh on him.
 
Variable said:
Yea, it was partly tongue in cheek and partly not. I saw it all play out when my boys played football. The mothers wanted to have a end of the season party and give out trophies to everyone so no one got their feelings hurt. It was a core of very vocal women who cared about how everyone felt about losing. They would say the scores don't matter. It was about feelings, and it didn't help the boys in the long run. A lot of kids quit playing sports. I heard lots of boys say at the end that they didn't want a trophy for last place. The boys knew what was up. Sports teaches you a lot of life lessons. Life is not about quitting and just because you try doesn't mean you win. I went through this stuff for 8-10 years of elementary school as the kids grew up. It was not like that when i was kid just 25 years earlier. Men were to blame because they didn't volunteer to do what the women did. I saw it in scouts too. No men volunteered so the women were teaching boys about scouts. Some years were better than others. Men need to take responsibility for letting it all happen. Somewhere we got lazy.

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Remember the Man’s Show End Women’s Suffrage skit? A classic. What happened to Kimmel?

The women of Roma drove the let the barbarians in movement too. How’d that work out? :D
 
georgel said:
For the sake of argument, I on the other hand believe training or at least education should be required if not mandatory, just like drivers ed. Maybe, like when getting a license, you can test out. But, if people don't get the education somewhere, how will they know? We've lost the father/grandfather tradition of hand me down knowledge. I think education is a key component. How much better public ranges would be if everyone had some safety training before hand. And if more were trained to a basic standard, more would call out those that were unsafe. More broad scale education might also reduce the unsubstantiated fear of guns that many have. Education would also possibly reduce the accidental shootings that occur all the time. People are not born with gun knowledge, just as they are not born with car knowledge or chain saw knowledge for that matter. They have to learn it from somewhere. And for them to just figure it out is risky for all.

Just sayin'
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Driver's Education is not mandatory. If you are 18 or older you can just walk in and get your license if you can pass the DMV test. It's only mandatory if you want your license before 18.
 
TSConver said:
Is training required to get married? Have children? Driving is a privileged. Firearm ownership is a right. Enough said.

However, I am all for training. I think it should be in every school. But to tie it in anyway to ownership definite no.

As far as ranges, they should take responsibility to insure the shooters are safe, many have a test you take, they should have to have a handling test to make sure people are safe. But that is to protect them and others. Again no relationship to ownership.
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I like where you went. We can end Home Economics and Music in schools and institute weapon training. Then we can eliminate Gender Studies and Ethnic Studies BS in the colleges and do the same. We got this figured out.
 
The class is called Concealed Carry Handgun. I teach Concealed Carry Handgun. I don't teach your permit. Click the link

I see the confusion. I said "In NC it is a Concealed Carry handgun permit" which it is, I was not saying that that is the "name" on the permit, but that the permit was for handguns and not weapons. Sorry for the confusion. I can see how you would interpret it that way. Many people say CCW and i thought that was what you were driving at. I should have been more clear. The class i teach is CCH class.
 
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JBoyette said:
Now, if a school offered basic firearm safety as a elective in high school I am all for it. BUT you wind up with government involvement that leads to getting training, then go get a permit, then go get,x,y,z We see it now with CCH permits.
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While I think it's a cool idea, how do you fill 135 hours of classroom time for that?
I think that there is some training with one of the agricultural classes, but it's a very small part of the course.
I DO like how you said 'elective' and not, like Ive seen others state, a required/mandatory course.

Unrelated, but thinking of what I wish was offered more - more hands-on courses.
We have welding, as do a couple others, but more hands on classes need to be offered, teach these kids the basics of a skill they can make a living off of
 
In my experience, when the government requires a class to exercise a right you already have, the point of the class it to act as a disincentive. In Illinois class for our FCCL was 16 hours. The classes cost over $200. Then fingerprints were $60. Then the license was another $150. So, lose two days of income+$200+60+$150 (plus cost of gun, and ammo for training class/qual, and proper defensive ammo, and holster)= too damn much for a lot of people who just want to have a gun just in case.

I'm a huge advocate for voluntary training. I feel people who want to carry should want to know how to use the gun correctly. Not everybody does and it's not my job to erect obstacles to people who need access to a firearm. If it were up to me, a mini training session would be included with each firearm purchase. The store would theoretically have a range, and the gun would come with a handling session that would give the store the ability to up-sell the purchaser, something that's pretty easy to do because once people start training with a gun they learn what they like/don't like and what works/doesn't work. This gives the store the ability to sell holsters, extra magazines, better sights, gun smith services, training and defensive ammo, and more training classes. Obviously this would be a service, not a requirement. If you're already Col. Cooper and you don't need the service, cash and carry.
 
This thread is just proof why the gun community can’t get anything done when it comes to promoting guns.

You don’t handle a gun like I do, so I’m out.

It was your fault, lousy generation of gun enthusiasts, so I’m out.

Your terminology is wrong, I’m gone too.

You must be trained but not by that guy, so I’m out.

Wait you expect me to know what end the bullet comes out of, how dare you, I’m out.

It’s become a joke.
 
Tailhunter said:
This thread is just proof why the gun community can’t get anything done when it comes to promoting guns.

You don’t handle a gun like I do, so I’m out.

It was your fault, lousy generation of gun enthusiasts, so I’m out.

Your terminology is wrong, I’m gone too.

You must be trained but not by that guy, so I’m out.

Wait you expect me to know what end the bullet comes out of, how dare you, I’m out.

It’s become a joke.
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You forgot "even though your guns are legal, you can't shoot full auto at our range (even if you can prove that you can control the muzzle rise)", so "you're out".
 
Tailhunter said:
This thread is just proof why the gun community can’t get anything done when it comes to promoting guns.

You don’t handle a gun like I do, so I’m out.

It was your fault, lousy generation of gun enthusiasts, so I’m out.

Your terminology is wrong, I’m gone too.

You must be trained but not by that guy, so I’m out.

Wait you expect me to know what end the bullet comes out of, how dare you, I’m out.

It’s become a joke.
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not really, just internet forums and the small amount of people who like us, communicate within them is a joke.
 
Variable said:
What makes me sad is they think a gun is the solution. Untrained idiots don't need a gun. Like this poor dumb (and now dead) kid in Texas who brought an AK to the protest. There are a lot of people today under 30 who are about as mature as a typical high school kid of the 70's or 80's. I blame women. Somewhere a long the lines we started coddling everyone and giving participation trophies. I think more than half of these white people at these protests are clueless snowflakes throwing a temper tantrum. I guess i am getting old and crotchety.
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Getting????? LOL
 
Timfoilhat said:
I'm a huge advocate for voluntary training. I feel people who want to carry should want to know how to use the gun correctly. Not everybody does and it's not my job to erect obstacles to people who need access to a firearm. If it were up to me, a mini training session would be included with each firearm purchase. The store would theoretically have a range, and the gun would come with a handling session that would give the store the ability to up-sell the purchaser, something that's pretty easy to do because once people start training with a gun they learn what they like/don't like and what works/doesn't work. This gives the store the ability to sell holsters, extra magazines, better sights, gun smith services, training and defensive ammo, and more training classes. Obviously this would be a service, not a requirement. If you're already Col. Cooper and you don't need the service, cash and carry.
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If i could waive a wand i would have every county produce a big range funded by tax payer money and donations. It would be run by a qualified county employee and volunteers. It would be very cheap to go there and training could be had for nominal fees. This would all be basic firearms training, rifle, pistol, shotgun, hunter safety stuff like that. You could organize competitions a few times a month. The key to this is government getting involved and helping, not making so many damn rules people cannot open range in their county (Stokes I am talking about you.) We have a huge amount of new gun owners and they need training. For some people the cost of CCH class is prohibitive. Average people cannot afford a 300 dollar Pistol 1 class. We need cheap training on the basics, but.... ill keep that utopian idea where it belongs, in fantasy musings.
 
Variable said:
If i could waive a wand i would have every county produce a big range funded by tax payer money and donations. It would be run by a qualified county employee and volunteers. It would be very cheap to go there and training could be had for nominal fees. This would all be basic firearms training, rifle, pistol, shotgun, hunter safety stuff like that. You could organize competitions a few times a month. The key to this is government getting involved and helping, not making so many damn rules people cannot open range in their county (Stokes I am talking about you.) We have a huge amount of new gun owners and they need training. For some people the cost of CCH class is prohibitive. Average people cannot afford a 300 dollar Pistol 1 class. We need cheap training on the basics, but.... ill keep that utopian idea where it belongs, in fantasy musings.
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I want the government involved with as few things in my life as possible. Can you imagine the mess the government could make of this and how they would love to have the chance to indoctrinate more people to their way of thinking.

Mandatory training leads to denial of rights. Mandatory training leads to registration of owners and would probably lead to registration of firearms.

Utopian dreams always lead to slavery for some if not all. Magic wands do not work as expected.
 
SPST said:
When I was growing up, your dad trained you in gun safety. Then when you passed that, he took you to advanced training which was called hunting.
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I was a suburban kid in Chicago area. Growing up was going to the range with dad's gun nut friend (Tackleberry Gummer III). Training consisted of shooting a .22 revolver for a while indoors at a range. Then they say "hey, you're doing ok with that. Try this." And they hand me a .357 loaded with .38. Bang, bang, bang, bang. "hey buddy...that's got a little kick now huh? Well hold on for the next one." BANG . .357 mag load. Hole in range roof. "Okay buddy, you did good, let's go."
A little later in life I went "squirrel hunting" with a cousin on the farm. Don't cut trees on my uncles old property unless you want a dull blade. They're full of lead. The squirrels had a good day laughing at us though.
 
JBoyette said:
I truly think the worst generation this country ever produced was the baby boomers.
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I am one and do not disagree totally. The evidence for the truth of your statement is fairly easy to see if you look at the children and grandchildren of many, but not all, of the baby boomers. We produced these snowflakes and other morons.
 
Charlie said:
I am one and do not disagree totally. The evidence for the truth of your statement is fairly easy to see if you look at the children and grandchildren of many, but not all, of the baby boomers. We produced these snowflakes and other morons.
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Going by this graphic:
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Lost Generation: Socialism takes root with Woodrow Wilson. Refounded KKK. Crashed economy. Allowed socialism to flourish with FDR.

Greatest Generation: Promoted imperialism as a way to fight communism. Good intentions, but it meant that America became hated in a lot of the third world when it was handled badly, that we still feel the after effects of today. Frankfurt School and cultural Marxism is promoted and allowed a foothold in universities.

Silent Generation: Speaking of handling badly, race relations. Let Hippie culture flourish without giving it a strong dose of reality. Let Frankfurt School continue the rot.

Baby Boomers: Let liberalism infect politics/media. Nanny state. Socialism

Gen X: Yuppies, helicopter parents.

Millenials: My generation. Spoiled brats, wimps, losers.

Unpopular Opinion, while I love my grandad who served in WW2, I think that the Greatest Generation was the worst generation we had, followed by the Lost Generation. The Lost Generation may have started the decline, but it was the Greatest Generation that built the snowball that's been continuing on. All the newer generations, IMO, are fruit of the poisoned tree.
 
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