Has anybody watched Part II of this documentary? If so, thoughts? The injustice of it all makes me so stinkin’ mad.
Making a Murderer, Part II
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Ditto.
I can’t imagine anyone watching the interrogation of that kid and not being disgusted at the cops.
And even though it’s scientifically proveable that they planted evidence (it becomes painfully obvious in the second season) there is no chance it will be allowed to come to a second trial.
Because if it did then every case that prosecutor was involved in and anyone that Sheriff’’s department arrested would have to thrown out or retried.
The state will never allow that to happen.
Like you said, if it were my family I’d have to make things right another way I think.
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Yeah, the amount of evidence his lawyer collects in part II to show that he is innocent is ridonculous, yet they can’t get the case opened back up. It’s mind-blowing, the amount of corruption in that police department and the DA needs to be jailed, as well. It’s worth watching but it will make your blood boil. At least it made mine.
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Stuff like this is why I do not trust the police or the legal system.
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Honestly Jim it is a documentary but it is so damn compelling to watch that it will blow by. The episodes don't really end on cliff hangers, it just develops the story slowly and at the end of each one you'll be saying "Ok just one more dammit and then I'm going to bed" at 1 o'clock in the morning lol.
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For anyone keeping up with this show...
https://www.wfmynews2.com/mobile/ar...12dd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
https://www.wfmynews2.com/mobile/ar...12dd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
It's a show on Netflix. It's designed to elicit a response. They may have half assed some stuff and some hicks that don't know how to handle murders made a lot of mistakes but I guarantee they left out a lot of things that don't fit the innocent narrative for TV...
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You may be right. But have you watched both seasons? Even if they were simply trying to elicit a response I didn’t get that. They, for the most part, presented the facts. When you look at time lines and the evidence that was presermted against they guy it doesn’t add up.
When you watch the video of the interview of the borderline mentally handicap boy and watch them lead him into answers (and 99% of those match no evidence) it’s hard to agree with the state that he did it.
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I've read a couple articles that accuse the producers of glossing over the facts, but the core of those articles always seem to circle back to the fact that he set a cat on fire.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean he murdered Teresa Halbach. Especially since there aren't giant pools of blood or other sources of her DNA in either of the places he allegedly did it.
He does not have the capacity to clean up a rape/murder scene in either his trailer or garage.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean he murdered Teresa Halbach. Especially since there aren't giant pools of blood or other sources of her DNA in either of the places he allegedly did it.
He does not have the capacity to clean up a rape/murder scene in either his trailer or garage.
I did and I responded to it exactly like you initially. Season 2 was about 20mins of new/useful info strechest over 10hrs. I also read some of the other side on Google and they left out some stuff. I'm not saying they did it or not. I'm not in the loop on that knowledge. I'm just saying it's a slanted "docu-drama" with an agenda. I feel for the girl's family more than anyone. Looking at those Deliverance extras, I wouldn't put anything past them. Dude got screwed over back in the day, but he was a scumbag anyway. So it doesn't hurt my feelings in the long run. I'm reserving judgement on the murder...
I don't pretend to know everything or remember half what I read, but I remember the kids mom saying he had bleach stains on his jeans from helping his uncle clean the garage floor... So there's that. The calls and requests for the specific girl at auto trader is suspect too. And the both had shackles and stuff at their houses. The kid and the uncle.
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Yeah but if he was smart enough to do that why didn’t he put her damn car in the car crusher on site?
Not to mention a blood vial missing from his wrongful conviction and the trace blood evidence having the appearance of being planted.
And of course the burn barrels on another piece of property with bones and enough heat to get rid of the bones and then them being found. In his burn pit.
I could go on but damn.
I get it. So if they didn't do it who did? Other than Brendan's brother, who is a reasonable suspect? The cops didn't murder a girl just to set up a loser over a wrong full conviction. Maybe he's just that stupid too...
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There were a couple of people that were viable suspects. Her creepy ass ex boyfriend was one of them. The step father of the half tard boy who’s still in jail is another one.
There are a few more but neither of them were investigated. They focused like a laser on him and, I strongly believe, planted evidence to suit their theory.
I feel like there's a good chance the cops/court did a LOT of dirt, but I still think one or both of them is the most likely culprit.
The ex is a stretch to set it up at their place, planted evidence aside. Not saying he couldn't do it. I think he's sketch, but it's just too much.
I bet if someone put as much effort into a show from the other point of view, the public would be equally swayed. It's an opinion piece.
I’m with @bigfelipe on this one. The Netflix shows do a good job of presenting a very biased agenda, but I’ve researched this case quite a bit and there is a lot of good info out there that supports their guilt. A really good podcast I listen to, called Generation Why, did a couple episodes on it after the first season. Give it a listen and you might not be so convinced of their innocence after that.
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Fair points. Just FTR I’m not convinced of their innocence. They very well may have done it. But I also know (because I’ve seen it and know people that have been a victim of it) just how corrupt some small town Sheriff’S departments can be. They definitely had a hard on for this guy and I believe, without a doubt, they planted evidence. Too much points to that.
I don’t doubt that there is some corruption in some of these small town Depts, and they probably had a hard on for him, but I can honestly say I haven’t seen any definitive evidence that shows that they planted anything. Going strictly of the Netflix series? Sure, it certainly spins it that they planted all kinds of evidence, but there is reasonable explanation for all of it. From what I have read and IMO anyways.
I highly recommend, the Podcast Generation Why episodes 166 and 167.
Also this link has some good info:
http://stevenaverycase.com/was-evidence-planted#sthash.7Hjkj3kV.dpbs
I highly recommend, the Podcast Generation Why episodes 166 and 167.
Also this link has some good info:
http://stevenaverycase.com/was-evidence-planted#sthash.7Hjkj3kV.dpbs
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I’ll definitely check those out when I get time.
I have not seen the show and am reserving judgement as to who did what but a burn barrel is in no way hot enough to completely destroy bones. Even crematoriums sometimes have bone fragments in the ash.
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Not completely destroy but they ran tests. You’ll have to watch the show but they found bone fragments in a bonfire pit at his house which in no way gets hot enough to burn them that much.
But a burn barrel with accelerant can destroy them to the degree found in the burn pit.
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Exactly. An open atmosphere dirt pit would never consume a body to the degree hers was. And that was the State's case....
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I'd like to see that.
I'm a hobbyist bladesmith and can attest to the HUGE difference in thermal efficiency between an open air fire and one contained in a vessel that reflects heat back inward.
We ain't that easy to burn down to ash and bone shards
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Burning isn't the issue though. Yes our fat is flammable and I understand the wick effect.
It is the utter destruction of a body down to bone shards and a few teeth. What they found of her essentially fit in a shoebox.
That is crematorium level efficiency and takes a concentrated, reflected heat source. No way an open pit burn, even with tires (which the tire issue was addressed by the experts in season 2) can produce that kind of destruction in just a few hours.
It is the utter destruction of a body down to bone shards and a few teeth. What they found of her essentially fit in a shoebox.
That is crematorium level efficiency and takes a concentrated, reflected heat source. No way an open pit burn, even with tires (which the tire issue was addressed by the experts in season 2) can produce that kind of destruction in just a few hours.
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Link to article about new evidence.
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The gist is that a witness saw a cousin, Bobby (the one with porn all over his computer) and another individual rolling the RAV4 down the street towards Avery’s auto yard. The witness called in to tell the police this and was told “We already know who did it.” The testimony was suppressed from the first court hearings.
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The gist is that a witness saw a cousin, Bobby (the one with porn all over his computer) and another individual rolling the RAV4 down the street towards Avery’s auto yard. The witness called in to tell the police this and was told “We already know who did it.” The testimony was suppressed from the first court hearings.
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I watched the full thing a few years ago, I think it’s very likely that he did it or was involved. However if I was on the jury there’s no way the state proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt imo.
like I said, I think it is very likely he did it, and they knew he did it but couldn’t find the evidence to prove it, they were determined they weren’t gonna be made to look like fools again, so they did what they had to do to get a conviction...
like I said, I think it is very likely he did it, and they knew he did it but couldn’t find the evidence to prove it, they were determined they weren’t gonna be made to look like fools again, so they did what they had to do to get a conviction...