Massachusetts Police office kill in rock attack

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There can be no doubt that had the police officer killed the suspect, there would have been riots, protests, and a political prosecution by the anti-gun anti-cop state AG for killing an "unarmed" man.

From the article.:
A Massachusetts police officer and an elderly woman were killed Sunday after a suspect attacked the officer with a rock, took his gun and shot him in the head and chest, officials said.


Weymouth police officer Michael Chesna, 42, was pronounced dead at a local hospital shortly before 8 a.m. The unidentified woman was fatally wounded by stray bullets in a nearby home. A suspect, identified as Emanuel Lopes, was in custody and was expected to be arraigned on two counts of homicide Monday.


According to investigators, Lopes crashed a car he was driving and fled the scene on foot at approximately 7:30 a.m. Norfolk County Assistant District Attorney Greg Connor said Chesna discovered Lopes vandalizing a nearby house. When the officer drew his gun and commanded Lopes to stop, the suspect allegedly attacked Chesna with the stone and struck him in the head.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/1...news%2Fnational+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)
 
My niece's husband is a 1st sergeant in the US Army. One of his men was permanently blinded by a rock. ROE forced them to not take any defensive action against rock throwers and the local knew this.
Police in MA know the only way to avoid prosecution is to allow themselves to be attacked first.
 
This ties in with the whole 60 kids throwing rocks in Vegas thread too. Rocks are dangerous weapons.
 
fishgutzy said:
ROE forced them to not take any defensive action against rock throwers and the local knew this.
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I tried to figure it out on my own.
- Return on equity
- Fish/frog's eggs
- A fictitious surname used for an unknown or anonymous person
- Short for roe deer
- Oregon Shakespeare Festival
- ROE v. WADE
- Regional Office of Education
 
Pink_Vapor said:
I tried to figure it out on my own.
- Return on equity
- Fish/frog's eggs
- A fictitious surname used for an unknown or anonymous person
- Short for roe deer
- Oregon Shakespeare Festival
- ROE v. WADE
- Regional Office of Education
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Of course it is the same as the movie title.
Rules of Engagement.

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I can see how a man holding a gun might see a rock and not think he should pull the trigger. He might be wrong, but I can understand it.
 
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One thing that really nags at me about many of these officer murders is that we have police officers seemingly doing their jobs solo all the time. Wouldn't it be safer if they worked in pairs ALL the time, and watched each other's back? For any LEO out there is there a good explanantion why they don't? Other than they can wrote more traiffic tickets if they split up? :(

Seems to me we should have LEO working in pairs, or teams in some areas maybe, and then we could also reduce the amount of cool cars, trucks and motorcycles we buy them. And keep more of them alive. What am I missing? If I was working a bar urban environment I'd want a partner. Heck, if I was working downtown small town America on a dark night I could see the benefit of a partner.
 
CZfool68 said:
One thing that really nags at me about many of these officer murders is that we have police officers seemingly doing their jobs solo all the time. Wouldn't it be safer if they worked in pairs ALL the time, and watched each other's back? For any LEO out there is there a good explanantion why they don't? Other than they can wrote more traiffic tickets if they split up? :(

Seems to me we should have LEO working in pairs, or teams in some areas maybe, and then we could also reduce the amount of cool cars, trucks and motorcycles we buy them. And keep more of them alive. What am I missing? If I was working a bar urban environment I'd want a partner. Heck, if I was working downtown small town America on a dark night I could see the benefit of a partner.
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Because we have to choose, do we stop spending so much on the police, or do we spend enough on the police so that they can hire enough to double up. Its the "WE NEED BETTER POLICING!" "Ok, pay for it."
 
CZfool68 said:
One thing that really nags at me about many of these officer murders is that we have police officers seemingly doing their jobs solo all the time. Wouldn't it be safer if they worked in pairs ALL the time, and watched each other's back? For any LEO out there is there a good explanantion why they don't? Other than they can wrote more traiffic tickets if they split up? :(

Seems to me we should have LEO working in pairs, or teams in some areas maybe, and then we could also reduce the amount of cool cars, trucks and motorcycles we buy them. And keep more of them alive. What am I missing? If I was working a bar urban environment I'd want a partner. Heck, if I was working downtown small town America on a dark night I could see the benefit of a partner.
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They have started doing this in Stanco.
 
From experience, there are benefits/liabilities both ways. If you have a partner you have someone supposedly watching your back, but on the other hand you are now responsible for that person. Is that partner of the same mindset and ability as you, or are they a liability to you?? How can I be expected to keep myself AND a partner alive??

2 officers do present a more formidable presence than a single officer but there are times that works against you. I have the situation under control and loud mouth spouts off and it all goes to hell and now we have an issue. The other issue is rank and file, who's ultimately in charge if both partners are of equal rank??

I always preferred to work by myself or with 1 or 2 trusted individuals. I've been in my share of tight spots both individually and as a pair and somehow things worked out but I still prefer to be a single car...... ONE person to look out for.....ME....
 
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CZfool68 said:
One thing that really nags at me about many of these officer murders is that we have police officers seemingly doing their jobs solo all the time. Wouldn't it be safer if they worked in pairs ALL the time, and watched each other's back? For any LEO out there is there a good explanantion why they don't? Other than they can wrote more traiffic tickets if they split up? :(

Seems to me we should have LEO working in pairs, or teams in some areas maybe, and then we could also reduce the amount of cool cars, trucks and motorcycles we buy them. And keep more of them alive. What am I missing? If I was working a bar urban environment I'd want a partner. Heck, if I was working downtown small town America on a dark night I could see the benefit of a partner.
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Nobody wants to pay the higher taxes it would take to double patrol officers.
 
CZfool68 said:
One thing that really nags at me about many of these officer murders is that we have police officers seemingly doing their jobs solo all the time. Wouldn't it be safer if they worked in pairs ALL the time, and watched each other's back? For any LEO out there is there a good explanantion why they don't? Other than they can wrote more traiffic tickets if they split up? :(

Seems to me we should have LEO working in pairs, or teams in some areas maybe, and then we could also reduce the amount of cool cars, trucks and motorcycles we buy them. And keep more of them alive. What am I missing? If I was working a bar urban environment I'd want a partner. Heck, if I was working downtown small town America on a dark night I could see the benefit of a partner.
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You have a good point, one that I've made IRL many times. On almost any call the police will send a back up unit. Many times they will wait until backup is there before proceeding to the scene. Even a traffic stop will prompt the dispatcher to start another car in that direction. It would make sense to ride Adam 12 style as to free up other units.

On the other hand it reduces police presence in the community and being seen in the bad areas is sometimes enough to deter certain crimes from ever happening.
 
J R Green said:
You have a good point, one that I've made IRL many times. On almost any call the police will send a back up unit. Many times they will wait until backup is there before proceeding to the scene. Even a traffic stop will prompt the dispatcher to start another car in that direction. It would make sense to ride Adam 12 style as to free up other units.

On the other hand it reduces police presence in the community and being seen in the bad areas is sometimes enough to deter certain crimes from ever happening.
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Who the bleep cares about police presence in those areas? Had it actually worked to improve anything? It's not like it matters. Those areas are either going to clean themselves up or they won't. Not a thing the local PD is really going to do to change that. Just keep arresting the ones you can and move along.
 
CZfool68 said:
Who the bleep cares about police presence in those areas? Had it actually worked to improve anything? It's not like it matters. Those areas are either going to clean themselves up or they won't. Not a thing the local PD is really going to do to change that. Just keep arresting the ones you can and move along.
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Actually yes, I used to patrol the downtown area of a town and I routinely put 60 miles a night into a 10 square block area. As a result I had fewer break ins or any other crime reported than any other squad because of officer presence. Most thugs do think twice about committing a crime if they are seeing a cop every time they turn around.

I view police as garbage men. You don't notice them taking away the trash but let them stop for a while and you'll notice the results.
 
I
m not trying to be silly....where in the heck would a second officer ride? The cars here will only take one person in the front seat because of all the "office equipment".
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I
m not trying to be silly....where in the heck would a second officer ride? The cars here will only take one person in the front seat because of all the "office equipment".
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Now, you're right unless the second officer is Verne Troyer (RIP). Back in my day that wasn't an issue.
 
J R Green said:
Actually yes, I used to patrol the downtown area of a town and I routinely put 60 miles a night into a 10 square block area. As a result I had fewer break ins or any other crime reported than any other squad because of officer presence. Most thugs do think twice about committing a crime if they are seeing a cop every time they turn around.

I view police as garbage men. You don't notice them taking away the trash but let them stop for a while and you'll notice the results.
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Key part was 'used to'. And one anecdotal instance doesn't make for good policy. There are plenty of cops in the cities we all know as war zones. Seems like a presence in the community isn't the answer.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
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m not trying to be silly....where in the heck would a second officer ride? The cars here will only take one person in the front seat because of all the "office equipment".
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He can be standing in the back, through the sunroof and operating the .5o caliber.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
I tried to figure it out on my own.
- Return on equity
- Fish/frog's eggs
- A fictitious surname used for an unknown or anonymous person
- Short for roe deer
- Oregon Shakespeare Festival
- ROE v. WADE
- Regional Office of Education
Click to expand...


What it means is "incredibly stupid restrictions on our people over there by shitheads who may never have heard a gun go off". I recognized your sarcasm but that's what it means to me.
 
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I hate, I really hate, to see something like this but the AG is not entirely at fault. The fault lies with the ignorant people who elected him and the media outlets who are pounding on the cops and the other segment of the population, the criminal element, that supports people like that AG. I wish he would have many sleepless nights over this but that ranks right up with me being elected pope tomorrow.
 
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