Memphis police respond to shooting at Kroger grocery store

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Memphis police officers are on the scene of a Kroger grocery store where at least 13 people have been shot, including one who was killed.

Police said the shooting took place at 240 New Byhalia Road in Collierville, Tennessee to support the Collierville Police Department.

www.foxnews.com

Tennessee Kroger grocery store shooting leaves 1 dead, at least 12 injured, police say

Police in Tennessee responded Thursday after at least a dozen people were shot at a Kroger supermarket, including at least one who was killed.
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I have said it quite a few times I am not fond of grocery stores, WalMart, Target or such their aisles that make it a fatal funnel type situation. You are basically in a 50 plus foot long 8 foot or so wide aisle with 6 foot plus shelves on each side boxing you in. A shooter pops up at one end and you’re in the middle … your SOL pretty much. Damn right I’m going to be armed and in high “yellow mode” ready to go “orange” if anything pops up.
 
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NCFubar said:
You are basically in a 50 plus foot long 8 foot or so wide aisle with 6 foot plus shelves on each side boxing you in. A shooter pops up at one end and you’re in the middle
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Guess there is a reason to practice those long shots after all?
 
Any bets on the shooter? I’m going white male with a handgun and looking for some form of girlfriend/fiancé/wife he was having blowup with. He went thru his ammo or LEO’s arrived and he ate one rather than be caught.

The Dims and MSM will turn it into a “guns are bad” thing and try and divert attention from Slo Joe’s Fiascos. If it was a handgun they’ll be more generic on “guns” but if it was an evil black rifle all hell will be raised about banning AR’s and Slo Joe’s ATF push will be front and center.
 
Unconfirmed report that one of the Kroger employees said the shooter was an employee that was recently fired …
 
NCFubar said:
Unconfirmed report that one of the Kroger employees said the shooter was an employee that was recently fired …
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Yea, rumor is it was a Chinese or Asian kid, supposedly a family member of an employee mentioned it either in a social media video or a tv interview.
 
Get Off My Lawn said:
This pic in the article makes me wonder if it’s a No-Go Haji neighborhood.
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Nope, Collierville is a white flight town on the outskirts of Memphis. My sister lives there. Talked to her and she was OK. She goes shopping in that Kroger and told me she was thinking of going grocery shopping yesterday morning but luckily decided not to.
 
All the more reason to order groceries online and pick them up in the parking spot at Food Lion.
 
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Button Pusher said:
Had an older guy in line at Walmart open carry his M&P here in Raleigh.
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We need more of this type folk. Common everyday carry.
I carry all days concealed pocket gun.
Winter months I carry a 45acp.concealed.
Sometimes I carry the 45 open carry.
Never got asked to leave a Home Depot or Lowes yet... but I have had the employees stare at other stores and Leo in the parking lot when I left before.
Glad to report the Leo's did nothing, no approach etc but I bet they ran my tag when I got to my car.
My local hardware store loves it and is a huge 2A supporter. I frequent and spend money were theres no anti gun signage.
I would/should carry open more often, we need to establish open carry days across America Monthly to stand for our rights to carry in public. The Media would pick it up and try to vilify us but it would inform johnQpublic.
Open carry gets such a bad rap and only we can change it.
Let's strap them on.
 
2ASteve said:
We need more of this type folk. Common everyday carry.
I carry all days concealed pocket gun.
Winter months I carry a 45acp.concealed.
Sometimes I carry the 45 open carry.
Never got asked to leave a Home Depot or Lowes yet... but I have had the employees stare at other stores and Leo in the parking lot when I left before.
Glad to report the Leo's did nothing, no approach etc but I bet they ran my tag when I got to my car.
My local hardware store loves it and is a huge 2A supporter. I frequent and spend money were theres no anti gun signage.
I would/should carry open more often, we need to establish open carry days across America Monthly to stand for our rights to carry in public. The Media would pick it up and try to vilify us but it would inform johnQpublic.
Open carry gets such a bad rap and only we can change it.
Let's strap them on.
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Lots of folks here are against open carry, but I think that's a little selfish. Sure concealed is better in most situations, better for the person carrying, and it certainly is easier. No worries about being "shot first", no awkward confrontations with retail establishments or anti gunners, and no need for a retention holster or being ultra aware of anyone standing behind you.

It's kind of the same thing as not putting gun stickers on your car. All of this makes life easier for us, but in reality we are hiding. And by hiding we present a false reality to those not in our culture, a reality that people who have or carry guns are wacko fringe right wing racists, or whatever their imaginations conjure up from the cesspool of gun owner adjectives the media has provided them.

I think it does us good for the masses to see responsible looking people going about their daily business with a firearm, so at some point when faced with a firearm related vote or town hall, etc. they may think of the nice lady in the grocery store wearing the revolver, and not a gang member or right wing militia.

Open carrying requires more effort and planning, but in my opinion is a worthy investment in marketing and should be considered, not every day, but when the conditions are favorable.

I myself have not done so in a couple of years. I need to get another retention holster.
 
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Flashpoint said:
Lots of folks here are against open carry, but I think that's a little selfish. Sure concealed is better in most situations, better for the person carrying, and it certainly is easier. No worries about being "shot first", no awkward confrontations with retail establishments or anti gunners, and no need for a retention holster or being ultra aware of anyone standing behind you.

It's kind of the same thing as not putting gun stickers on your car. All of this makes life easier for us, but in reality we are hiding. And by hiding we present a false reality to those not in our culture, a reality that people who have or carry guns are wacko fringe right wing racists, or whatever their imaginations conjure up from the cesspool of gun owner adjectives the media has provided them.

I think it does us good for the masses to see responsible looking people going about their daily business with a firearm, so at some point when faced with a firearm related vote or town hall, etc. they may think of the nice lady in the grocery store wearing the revolver, and not a gang member or right wing militia.

Open carrying requires more effort and planning, but in my opinion is a worthy investment in marketing and should be considered, not every day, but when the conditions are favorable.

I myself have not done so in a couple of years. I need to get another retention holster.
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As I stated I CC about everyday. I do open carry at times Not to be a spectacle but out of convince.
For days gone by in banking I use to make night deposit drops and always open carried and gun in hand under the bag as I walked up to the drop box, then holstered as I returned to the vehicle.
To summarize I have carried all my adult life in some form as a sportsman, hunter, business owner and public citizen and never had a real problem.
Make no mistake they are coming for our gun rights and restrictions in any means possible.
 
Kroger Inc (which includes HT) supposedly banned OC a while back but affirmed CC. I have yet to see any signage. Dittos for Walmart, and I see OC at the Havelock WM most visits. No signage there, either. Agree that if more people carried open or cc, we’d have less of this. I’m not getting into the OC/CC thing here.
 
MostWanted said:
Kroger Inc (which includes HT) supposedly banned OC a while back but affirmed CC. I have yet to see any signage. Dittos for Walmart, and I see OC at the Havelock WM most visits. No signage there, either. Agree that if more people carried open or cc, we’d have less of this. I’m not getting into the OC/CC thing here.
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I see OC at the Havelock walmart all the time. I live only 5 miles from there & go thee quite a bit.
I don't believe they could stop OC at that store even if they wanted to , short of calling out the troops.....oh wait , a lot of those OC people ARE the troops

Mike
 
I was confronted by a Meck sheriff while OC in a grocery store just after moving to NC (waiting on CHP).

He asked why I felt the need to carry a gun. I told him it was the same reason he felt the need to carry a gun. ::Confused look::

He told me the store had been robbed recently and the employees were nervous. OK, all the more reason to carry, no? ::Confused look::

It all fell on deaf ears.

I would never OC any longer. For me, it's mostly just not worth the hassle and I also believe in not showing my hand before it's my turn to play.
 
6mm250 said:
I see OC at the Havelock walmart all the time. I live only 5 miles from there & go thee quite a bit.
I don't believe they could stop OC at that store even if they wanted to , short of calling out the troops.....oh wait , a lot of those OC people ARE the troops

Mike
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Rifle, shotgun, revolver or pistol? ;)
 
Open carry is the worst form of carry. Three reasons: outdated moral standards, less safe, and not effective at changing attitudes.

(1) The historical justification for open carry was it was gentlemanly, and only a coward or a criminal would arm himself in secret for an advantage. From the N.C. Supreme Court in 1921:

The Constitution of this state, section 24, art. 1 [now section 30, art. 1 - JRV], which is entitled, “Declaration of Rights,” provides. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” adding, “nothing herein contained shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons or prevent the Legislature from enacting penal statutes against said practice.” This exception indicates the extent to which the right of the people to bear arms can be restricted; that is, the Legislature can prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons but no further. This constitutional guaranty was construed in State v. Speller, 86 N. C. 697, in which it was held that the distinction was between the “right to keep and bear arms” and the “practice of carrying concealed weapons.” The former is a sacred right based upon the experience of the ages in order that the people may be accustomed to bear arms and ready to use them for the protection of their liberties or their country when occasion serves. The provision against carrying them concealed was to prevent assassinations or advantages taken by the lawless; i. e., against the abuse of the privilege.

State v. Kerner,181 N.C. 574 (1921) (overturning Forsyth County's ban on open carry). When it comes to self defense, noble character does not save lives. Open carry is deliberately giving up an edge out of chivalry towards your attacker. Carry concealed, have the unfair advantage.

(2) An open-carried gun is everyone’s gun. Retention holsters have never stopped cops from losing their guns in ambushes or struggles. One of my friends from college killed a guy because her partner’s retention holster failed. It released during a fight, and the suspect ended up on top of the partner's gun. Appendix IWB is just as fast as open carry, keeps the gun between your arms and under your control at all times, has a lower-profile draw, keeps your gun undetectable in a crowd and in most social contacts, and is even more accessible when seated (especially in a car).

(3) Open carry is ineffective social commentary. You cannot "normalize" carrying a gun by making your decision to carry a gun an overt political or social statement. If something has to be "normalized," then it's already an unusual behavior to the general public and has been unusual for generations. At best, no one cares... at worst, you trigger some hoplophobe, and then another business puts up gunbuster signs.

If you’re that worried about social acceptance, take a coworker or a date to the range and make it fun. Teach a kid to shoot. Steve Rinella, GWOT, and video games have made more new shooters and hunters in the past decade than any random guys open carrying at big box stores. Open carrying to influence attitudes is like wearing a “shout your abortion” shirt and expecting someone to change their mind about killing a baby... it only solidifies opposing attitudes.
 
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