Missouri couple point guns at protesters calling for St. Louis mayor to resign

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  1. georgel

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    Video from the protest circulating on social media shows the man pointing a semi-automatic rifle and the woman pointing a pistol at the crowd walking past their home in the upscale Central West End neighborhood of the Missouri city.

    The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department said it responded to a "call for help" from a 63-year-old man and a 61-year-old woman around 5:30 p.m. Sunday. The pair said they went to investigate a loud commotion coming from the street and saw a group of people break an iron gate marked with "No Trespassing" and "Private Street" signs, according to police.

    The man and woman said they told the group to leave and the group "began yelling obscenities and threats of harm to both victims," according to police.


    "When the victims observed multiple subjects who were armed, they then armed themselves and contacted police," the incident summary said.

    Police said the investigation is ongoing.

    The demonstration came after Krewson read the names and addresses of people who wrote letters to her calling to defund the police during a Friday afternoon Facebook live video. Although the names and letters are considered public records, Krewson’s actions received heavy backlash.




    What's wrong with this statement? Bolding mine.

    "It is shocking and misguided for Mayor Lyda Krewson of St. Louis to broadcast the addresses of those who dare to express a different viewpoint on an issue of public concern," the statement said. "It serves no apparent purpose beyond intimidation."


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    "Protesters"
     
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    And yet, they have no problem using intimidation & violence to stifle viewpoints other than their own.

    I so wish hypocrisy & cognitive dissonance caused actual physical pain.
     
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    Based on that house as a signal of their wealth and influence, I wouldn't immediately assume that is a semi-automatic rifle.
     
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    The "peaceful protesters" broke into a private, gated community, and was on this guy's property. They all need to be happy knowing it ended as well as it did.
     
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    And i like how they gloss over the fact the "protestors" ignored the no trespassing signs and destroyed a gate to gain access to a private gated community--this was not public property they were "protesting" on. Lucky they weren't shot.
     
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    I would bet that those firearms were purchased the day before based on the way those two were handling them. It is obvious they know nothing! They are quite lucky nothing worse happened.
     
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    She needs to work on trigger discipline. But good on them for keeping their place secure
     
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    Shoulda stacked em like cord wood as their new gate
     
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    I put this on another web site.........
    Need training. Muzzle control sucks, could theoretically be charged with brandishing. Both are to far from cover and their asses are wide open to attack from their flanks. Needs more mags. She needs to get her ass on the porch and quit pointing a weapon at the folks in case she tenses up and pulls the trigger. Fine to protect your property but two levels of stupid to do it that way. Bottom line is they bought some brand new toys and haven't gotten the training needed to go with them, They are scared, people do stuff when they are scared.
     
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    Quite possibly true, but what would have happened had they not purchased them. They served a purpose without being fired.

    I don't disagree they need some training.
     
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    My "favorite" part was when she points the gun at her husbands head...:rolleyes:

    I would really like to see more detail on whether or not they actually broke through a gate. The internet is sooooo screwed up right now I struggle to believe anything anymore...
     
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    Along with how many others that have been flocking to the gun stores and buying anything left in stock?
     
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    This is the part I have been waiting for, these thugs have had the law on their side through this whole fiasco but now they choose to threaten people in their homeland. Soon they will see what makes America different from their fantasy dreamland. Don’t mess with the silent majority.
     
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    Something tells me he's about to get another AR, more ammo and magazines......
     
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    if you search portland place, st. louis missouri on google, you can get down to streetview and see pretty clearly that it is a gated community on streetview

    Don't know Missouri or St. louis laws, but sure seems like they were trespassing on private property.
     
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    There is another video on twitter that shows people opening the gate and entering but it wasn't broken yet.

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    From what I've read elsewhere, it sounds like MO has some very strong Castle Doctrine statutes. From what I can tell, this is what applies:
    Also a few definitions:
    Note the last item 3 on deadly force, entry on to the premises includes the property. In this case the "protestors" physically destroyed a locked gate to gain entry and was making threats. It sounds to me like a strong case could have been made that it would have been legal to shoot them.
     
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    Yes, legal to protect themselves and I am sure the couple hoped (and accomplished) intimidation. I applaud their efforts.

    That said, the "handwriting" has been on the wall for a while. A little too late, IMHO. I have first hand knowledge of scared people with no experience just recently looking to firearms for protection. These people are more a danger to themselves than they are to those from whom they wish to protect themselves. Not only that, the first ND on the homeowner's side, in that situation, would create a firestorm of controversy that our side does not need right now.
     
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    Yep. Deadly force in defense of property is legal there, and there is no duty to retreat on private property.
     
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    Missouri is different in a lot of insurance laws. i.e. no fault insurance. "It is your decision to leave your driveway to go to work." If someone broadsides you, they running a stop sign for example, it's partially your fault for leaving home. Also insurance pays those insured in suicides.
     
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    From the comments... Sounds like a threat even though hes says he's doing things differently and he's wrong, because they were clearly trespassing on private property.
    I also found it funny that the couple are personal injury lawyers.


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    He was sweeping his wife and she was walking to the right of his muzzle. The website for their law firm is disabled. Personal injury practice. The larger main gate was also damaged.
     
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    If I had that sort of money I'd be buying an MG42 and having some emplacements poured to cover different sides of my property.
     
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    At least they stood up, that’s more than the other 99% of people have done.
     
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    Thanks Diablos.

    This view clearly shows these degenerates were trespassing. Well beyond the rights of a peaceful protest, no telling what they were going to do next. I would have been pissed too. The homeowners may have went about it wrong, but you should be able to protect your property. Just my opinion.
     
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    No argument there.
     
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    Eventually the idiots in charge are going to realize that the regular people will have their way when elections come around. The "protesters" only represent a tiny minority of the public, no matter how the media wants to portray them, and their antics are starting to wear thin.
     
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    I'm hoping that they have woken the silent majority to put the brakes on this stupidity.
     
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    Guess we'll find out when some neighborhood protection association gets their bag limit on commie assholes.
     
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    This whole "Freedom experiment" is analogous to undisciplined children When a parent refuses to stop their children when they break the rules the kids behavior will continually degrade until such time as an outside force will have no choice but to step in. This usually comes in the form of the police and the courts but by then kids have devolved so far that they can't be saved.

    Now they are starting to question why the authorities have allowed things to co so wrong.
     
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