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What slimy low life weasels. Have to get ready for a toy ride, but when I get back I’m going to check into this a little more.
 
Millions of dollars for spending on studies and expanding, our unborn generation will be paying for.
These people need to be held accountable otherwise we will end up like California.
 
The Republicans are setting Democrats up for a lose-lose vote; Democrats will either be hammered for voting for reciprocity or against NICS data.
 
Well for some of us, this is what we have inherited. The be question is how do we correct the ship before we hit the massive ice burg that is the debt and so many laws that we can not enforce them?
 
The bright spot in all this is that more folks are waking up to the fact that, "sh*t just ain't right". Yeah...it's still a relatively small number in the grand scheme of things, but the dissatisfaction, the mutterings and the dissention is more common than it was, say, 20 or 30 years ago. Folks eyes are being opened.

Not saying it's some sorta weathervane, but look at the record number of firearms sales within the past 10 years. It ain't due to people suddenly becoming interested in 'collecting' firearms as a hobby.

The writing on the wall is there and folks's a reading it.
 
scottr said:
Well for some of us, this is what we have inherited. The be question is how do we correct the ship before we hit the massive ice burg that is the debt and so many laws that we can not enforce them?
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I'm an optimistic dude, but I'm also realistic.

That course has been set and I personally don't believe there is enough room left to deviate. It's not a matter of "if" we hit the berg, but when.

And I hate that...I really do, because it could have been prevented. Problem is, we have a ruling elite that have squandered our tax dollars, created a deficit that will never and could never be paid and are so drunk on power, they are steering the ship on a direct course to a 3rd revolution.

The ones in the wheelhouse could change it, but there's about as much chance of that happening as there is a fat dude in a red suit delivering gifts to every kid on earth in the timespan of one night.
 
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I've been leery of any kind of national reciprocity since day one, mostly because of the potential for damaging amendments which would be tacked onto such a bill, but also because the Federal government has no business getting into such a thing due to the restrictions imposed by the 2nd Amendment. It should be up to the states to decide.

Too simple a notion, I guess.
 
rotorhead said:
I've been leery of any kind of national reciprocity since day one, mostly because of the potential for damaging amendments which would be tacked onto such a bill, but also because the Federal government has no business getting into such a thing due to the restrictions imposed by the 2nd Amendment. It should be up to the states to decide.

Too simple a notion, I guess.
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Not at all.

Thing with a "national" reciprocity is the big bag-o-sh*t that's gonna come along with it.

You get national reciprocity and before too long, you're going to have federally mandated "standards" to go along with that CCP. The fed will define/determine just 'who' qualifies for a CCP. There'll eventually be a national FOID card, similar to Illinois. Wouldn't be surprised to see federally mandated 'insurance' for those who carry, along with some kinda tax, because .gov loves taxation theft....and yeah, that insurance/tax will be sky high, of course, to help offset the accompanying 'health care costs' that are associated with firearms.

That's not tight tin-foil...it's called jealously guarding your liberty from anyone who approaches it, just as we were instructed to do.
 
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Not at all.

Thing with a "national" reciprocity is the big bag-o-sh*t that's gonna come along with it.

You get national reciprocity and before too long, you're going to have federally mandated "standards" to go along with that CCP. The fed will define/determine just 'who' qualifies for a CCP. There'll eventually be a national FOID card, similar to Illinois. Wouldn't be surprised to see federally mandated 'insurance' for those who carry, along with some kinda tax, because .gov loves taxation theft....and yeah, that insurance/tax will be sky high, of course, to help offset the accompanying 'health care costs' that are associated with firearms.

That's not tight tin-foil...it's called jealously guarding your liberty from anyone who approaches it, just as we were instructed to do.
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Add to those restrictions....others based on owing back taxes, falling behind on student loans, failing to sign up for mandated obamacare insurance, getting behind on child support,etc etc...
 
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gc70 said:
The Republicans are setting Democrats up for a lose-lose vote; Democrats will either be hammered for voting for reciprocity or against NICS data.
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Or is it the other way around?

The president's party is usually the one at most risk in midterm elections.
 
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How do you tax a Right? Oh wait our parents and all have already given that up! With taxing homes and the ability to take ones home for not paying.
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And/or partition rights into sections and then tax portions of them, such as a $200 stamp for suppressors, etc.
 
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And/or partition rights into sections and then tax portions of them, such as a $200 stamp for suppressors, etc.
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Correct Unconstitutional! but without people in the right places you cannot get it over turned.
 
I have been in the minority here since the whole reciprocity bill BS started. From the beginning I have said NO! Why? Anytime the Feds get any opportunity to usurp state's rights they will. Nothing good can come from this proposal. State's rights belong with the state and not mandated by the federal government. I guarantee you this is a nightmare that they have conned 2A supporters (including the NRA) into believing is a good thing. It's not! The Feds will get their camel-nose under the tent and before you know what hit you we will have the same rights to own and carry firearms as do our brethren in Australia and the UK.

JUST SAY NO
 
The part that bothers me about a national concealed carry is that this puts the federal government even further into the "infringement" part, and will allow them to segue into yet more infringements.

The federal government does not need to go around sticking its grubby fingers into firearms legislation any more. They've already been allowed to screw up in major ways twice, in 1934 and in 1968. And each of those allowed them to continue doing so in their ceaseless efforts at total disarmament of the civilian population.

Honestly..."national concealed carry" is ALREADY codified in the Second Amendment. We don't NEED a law which says what has already been said. What we NEED is for the government to back the truck up to the law of the land in the first place. This whole issue wouldn't BE an issue if this were done.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If you have to license a right...then the right isn't a right, it's a privilege.

If the right doesn't apply equally to all...then the right isn't a right, it's a privilege.
 
As others have stated, National Reciprocity sounds great on the surface, as it will allow folks from States with some shred of their Second Amendment-protected Rights to travel to that minority of States who are notorious enemies to the Rights of Man and not be left defenseless.

Still further, there are those who have stated, correctly, that the 2nd also protects the Right to bear those arms in addition to keeping them, and any and all restrictions are immoral and unlawful infringements on our unalienable Right to Arms.

It is also in direct violation of the 10th Amendment - which reserves to the State or the We, the People - all powers not expressly delegated to the feds by the Constitution.

So I've been with @Daedalus-NC on this one from the start - no to National Reciprocity because we don't need the feds sticking their hands in this business. Look at the map - since 1989 we've been winning this battle State by State, in legislatures and in the courts. This is nothing more than a Trojan Horse bill meant to seize and consolidate more power and more control.

Insofar as the Founders are concerned, I honestly think that they would be less disappointed or disgusted with what the government has become and more disgusted with us for our refusal to do anything about it.

Government, by its nature, grows and moves from a limited size to an unlimited Tyranny. It just what it does - and the Founders understood that.

People, too, are complacent by nature - willing to suffer while times are sufferable rather than really get uncomfortable and do something about the suffering.

General Washington especially would judge harshly the pitiful excuses we offer for such apathy. They, too had jobs - jobs that if not done we're truly life and death for you and your family . They too had nagging wives, needy children, bills to pay, and danger in their communities.

Yet they chose to live Free or not live at all.

And for most of us, it's too much to ask to vote our conscience because "any vote not for the party that lies the way I like while spending us into debt and violating our Rights is a vote for the party that lies the way I don't like while spending us into debt and violating our Rights!"

The first thing to remember is the American Revolution was won in the hearts and minds of that first generation long before any shots were fired. They were determined to live Free and govern themselves, and they always intended to, and pledged their Lives, their Fortunes, and their Sacred Honor to see it through.

Without the same sentiments and convictions - and without making the same pledge to ourselves first and then to our countrymen - these United States will simply continue trudging along the road to reduce us to slavery.
 
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I going to do what I want to do when it comes to my family's own safety and there ain't a thing they can do about it. You folks that disagree with me, interpret how you will I'm just saying. If everyone would get the same attitude things would change.
 
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General Washington especially would judge harshly the pitiful excuses we offer for such apathy.
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And yet, General George led his Army into western PA to put down those wicked nonconformists who defied the whiskey tax. His own part in cultivating the apathy shouldn't be overlooked.

Beyond Patrick Henry, the excellence quotient regarding the "Founders" falls off rapidly. The Revolution was a good thing, but the coup that followed, not so much. George was playing political footsie with Hamilton, and Liberty was getting screwed.
 
I do not agree with the "states rights" argument when it comes to reciprocity because there should not be a permit system to begin with and no state should have the ability to restrict carry. That being said, a permit system is the reality of today and I think national permit resignation is a necessary and logical step towards ultimately establishing national carry sans permits. If you notice, even within the states it has been a case of incremental movement forward of getting rid of restrictions when the libtards cries of blood in the streets fails to materialize.
 
OverMountainMan said:
And yet, General George led his Army into western PA to put down those wicked nonconformists who defied the whiskey tax. His own part in cultivating the apathy shouldn't be overlooked.

Beyond Patrick Henry, the excellence quotient regarding the "Founders" falls off rapidly. The Revolution was a good thing, but the coup that followed, not so much. George was playing political footsie with Hamilton, and Liberty was getting screwed.
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I've mentioned it before, but read Albert Nock's Our Enemy, The State. One of the things he covers about midway is what very well might be the real reason the founders went to war, and it had all to do with personal interests in land grabbing over the King's objections. When it came to personal finances, many of the founders had a reputation for bring real rat bastards and even downright sleazy. All they did was replace one "merchant state" with another "merchant state" that was more favorable to their interests.
 
OverMountainMan said:
And yet, General George led his Army into western PA to put down those wicked nonconformists who defied the whiskey tax. His own part in cultivating the apathy shouldn't be overlooked.

Beyond Patrick Henry, the excellence quotient regarding the "Founders" falls off rapidly. The Revolution was a good thing, but the coup that followed, not so much. George was playing political footsie with Hamilton, and Liberty was getting screwed.
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George Washington was a pragmatist more than an idealist. I respect and mention him simply because I doubt any other single man could have kept the Continental Army together, and while he did lead a 14,000 man militia into the field against the Whiskey Rebellion, then, much as now disinformation played into it (the reports were that 16,000+ rebels were marching on the federal arsenal at Springfield). Even then, not a single execution and Washington pardoned all the leaders.

It was also one of his maxims that it was better to offer no excuse at all rather than a poor one - which is exactly what all the excuses I mentioned in my previous post are.
 
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