New Leak Shows ATF Will Pass Rule to Eliminate Private Sales

Am I reading this wrong or is the headline overstated?
Seems targeted at stopping our non-dealer dealers on BST from repeatedly flipping guns for profit, not outright banning private sales.
 
Timfoilhat said:
Am I reading this wrong or is the headline overstated?
Seems targeted at stopping our non-dealer dealers on BST from repeatedly flipping guns for profit, not outright banning private sales.
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Likely so. But eventually it will include everyone. They want to make it so sale goes through an FFL. That is for the registry that doesn't exist.

I never bought/sold so much stuff privately as I did after NY did the same.

They know it won't stop the criminals. Only the "law abiding".

Remember, they only want to stop criminals and illegal guns. Most wouldn't have an issue with that. Until they make your gun illegal and make you the criminal.
 
The digital attacks won't end with Armslist, either. They'll go after our BST, then try to shut us down altogether.

They don't care what's lawful, their strategy seems to be to just keep throwing stuff at us, causing us to burn our resources fighting it, and seeing how much they can get to stick.

And once again, this was made possible by Traitor Thom Tillis and the gun control that he sponsored and negotiated.
 
You have to look back at the men who penned the 2nd Amendment.
Would they have allowed the British to control their access to firearms?

These are dark times in our country & call for very independent thinking & actions.
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MostWanted said:
They don't care what's lawful,
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Me. said:
Based on the article, you’re right. The article‘s headline is contradicted in the very first line of the article.

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Also, we have an entire thread here on CFF that seems to agree with the rule:


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If you list a BST at a price that might bring a profit instead of a loss, you will get a laugh emoji and get made fun of in that thread.

I’m opposed to the ATF rule (and its motivations) but let’s be honest… none of us like people trying to sell guns for a profit (on the used market) AND none of us like the people this rule is truly aimed at (the people who are arms dealers to the groups who are willing to pay above-market prices for no-questions-asked guns).
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Then let's be honest. What you said might be true, till we are the ones it is aimed at. Make no mistake about it. That is the game plan.
 
Me. said:
If you list a BST at a price that might bring a profit instead of a loss, you will get a laugh emoji and get made fun of in that thread.
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Well that is certainly not true at all and I'm sure you know that. Nobody makes fun of a WWII 1911 selling for big bucks, or a nice S&W revolver selling for 5X it's purchase price or any other similar offer.

It's naive to think that the feds would not purposely misuse the statute you highlight to target legitimate private sales. It's already illegal to be in the business of selling firearms as a business without a FFL. If their purpose was benign, they'd not need new legislation.

But we all know it's not.
 
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Me. said:
none of us like the people this rule is truly aimed at
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If you can't see where this rule is headed, you're being willfully blind. Today, selling a gun for profit is illegal. Tomorrow, selling two guns at a time is illegal, and soon selling your property without prior approval is illegal. This road ends in a world where legally transferring ownership of a gun is impossible and your heirs will be forced to turn your guns into the authorities for destruction.
 
Based on the success of Biden’s immigration app, they should create a UBC one for the ATF. That way, a seller meeting a buyer behind a gas station dumpster at 3am can be certain the buyer is good to go. 🤓
 
Timfoilhat said:
Am I reading this wrong or is the headline overstated?
Seems targeted at stopping our non-dealer dealers on BST from repeatedly flipping guns for profit, not outright banning private sales.
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I have never sold a firearm for more than I paid for it.
ATF going on the opposite direction of Bubba and Obama. Those two revoked many FFL'S declaring they did not transfer enough firearms to qualify as FFL'S. No Biden's ATF wants to mandate an FFL license for a small number of sales.
 
More blah blah blah BS. If they could do jack by EO, which only applies to federal agencies anyway they would have already done so, instead they’ll throw out a bunch of word salad and opinions in the hopes that folks like those reading this buy into their BS and act accordingly.

Its quickly getting to the point to tell these bastards to either sit down and shut up or get on the bus to the camps because we will not obey in conjunction with viciously dealing with their enforcers and their enforcers families before coming for them.
 
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It should not concern them if any free man is making a profit off of selling 1, 2, 10, or 20 (etc) guns. Free men should be able to do with their private property as they please. PERIOD. No one should be stepping in to control a sale between two 'legal' people. If I can possess a firearm and I do, then I should be able to sell said firearm to another legal American should I choose.

That said - this thread title is as much horsecrap as the possible rule coming down.
Chicken Little/The Sky Is Falling crap does nothing to help up and only makes some (like the OP and the title) seem like the whacko leftists who exaggerate, and, well, LIE, to try to rile others up. And that's what has happened here. Dont give that, "Well that's where it's heading..." stuff. May be. But right now that AINT where it is and no need to get people's blood pressure up.
 
HMP said:
It should not concern them if any free man is making a profit off of selling 1, 2, 10, or 20 (etc) guns. Free men should be able to do with their private property as they please. PERIOD. No one should be stepping in to control a sale between two 'legal' people. If I can possess a firearm and I do, then I should be able to sell said firearm to another legal American should I choose.

That said - this thread title is as much horsecrap as the possible rule coming down.
Chicken Little/The Sky Is Falling crap does nothing to help up and only makes some (like the OP and the title) seem like the whacko leftists who exaggerate, and, well, LIE, to try to rile others up. And that's what has happened here. Dont give that, "Well that's where it's heading..." stuff. May be. But right now that AINT where it is and no need to get people's blood pressure up.
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Walkabout Dan said:
America today very closely resembles 1930s germany.
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I agree. It’s scary and the only difference is that some of us have learned from that history. The question is, will we act in time and will it be enough? Nations voted themselves into Nazism. There was no option to vote out of it.
 
I wonder how they’ll define profit in a Bidenflation world. 🤓
 
Me. said:
Based on the article, you’re right. The article‘s headline is contradicted in the very first line of the article.
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My Bad, I guess I didn't review the article as you did because further into it, ( and in the accompanied video ) it is said, "The rule, currently in draft form."

The rule, currently in draft form, is expected to be announced later this year. The announcement will be followed by a public comment period. The Biden administration aims toreveal the final rule by late spring or early summer of 2024 and forit to go into effect by the fall of next year. The rule is still inthe early stages of development, so the timeline is subject tochange.

This rule shows the gun community that any “compromise” will be used against gun rights, and the ATF claiming authority through the BSCA shows that the recent losses have the ATF scrambling to prevent future losses by pointing to legislation even if the law has to be taken out of context.

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/08/ne...ule-to-eliminate-private-sales/#axzz89fWX0N1W

From interview with Cam,
6:06 about you know the gun cell loophole or

6:09 the Private Sales loophole they call it

6:12 in the digital loophole because they're

6:13 going to go after places like Armslist

6:15 as well and trying to shut down those

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HMP said:
That said - this thread title is as much horsecrap as the possible rule coming down.
Chicken Little/The Sky Is Falling crap does nothing to help up and only makes some (like the OP and the title) seem like the whacko leftists who exaggerate, and, well, LIE, to try to rile others up. And that's what has happened here. Dont give that, "Well that's where it's heading..." stuff. May be. But right now that AINT where it is and no need to get people's blood pressure up.
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NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it's become clearer that fairness is overrated," he said. "Before you run with or tweet that headline, let me explain a bit. The idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in. That the sun sets in the west is a fact. Any contrary view does not deserve our time or attention."

https://people.com/tv/nbcs-lester-h...truth-in-as-he-accepts-edward-r-murrow-award/

Video is already cued up
19:35 Number one is I think it's become clear that fairness is overrated.

19:40 Whoa, before you run off and tweak that headline, let me explain a bit. The idea that we should always give two sides

19:47 equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in. That the sun sets in the west is a fact.

19:55 Any contrary view does not deserve our time or retention. I know recent events assure




AR10ShooterinNC said:
www.ammoland.com

New Leak Shows ATF Will Pass Rule to Eliminate Private Sales

The Biden administration will use executive orders and the weaponized ATF to issue a rule limiting the private sales of firearms.
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Thanks for sharing
 
If it passes wait for “Operation Market Adjustment Bureau”

ATF setting up fake sales on gun broker and arms list to artificially drive up market prices. Thus making it easier to find a random Joe who sold above purchase price because that’s what the market dictated.
 
Timfoilhat said:
As this situation progresses watch for the FFLs that support it out of greed.
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You are so right - Just like in Virginia where there is not only a Federal check but a state check for EVERY gun sale through an FFL and they don't even want to talk about going back to private sales.
 
Being there is no record keeping requirement how would anyone know there is a profit. Everyone knows anyone who buys and sells a bunch of guns just likes to try stuff out.
 
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