NFA pic thread

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Thx, same as an sbr. Might be something I’ll do in 2024.
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The type of firearm has nothing to do with it. All Form 1 submissions are $200.

FWIW…all Form 4 transfers are also $200, except for AOWs, which are $5.

Ao with that one exception, acquiring an NFA item is gonna run you $200 every time.
 
Not an NFA on its own, but tapering with the ammo makes it a “Destructive Device”. The red rounds are sold for wildlife control and have a hollow nose cone which is hot glued on 🤓🤫

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Have had cans since 2019, but my first Form 1 got approved right before eForms went down last week. Got engraving done today (shout out to THSF!). Just spent about 5 hours standing in my basement at the workbench building/tweaking this. My back, neck, and feet are SORE!😟

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IWI Zion 15 12.5 1/8 twist (Form 1)
YHM Turbo K RB (Form 4)
-OEM Hub Adapter and MB Upgraded with YHM Short Titanium QD and Short MB
EO Tech XPS 2
Sure Fire M340 DFT Turbo Mini Scout Light
-Updated SureFire Scout Light Weapon Light Switch
Unity Hot Button Top Switch
DD A1.5 Fixed Front and Rear Sights
-Rear Upgraded with XS CSAT Same Plane Aperture
-Front Upgraded with Meprolight Tritium Front Night Sight
Geissele SSA Trigger
Geissele Maritime Bolt Catch
BCM Mk 2 Charging Handle
Edgar Sherman Designs Granite Pistol Grip
Strike Industries Short Angled VFG with Cable Management
Warrior Poet Sling with Magpul QD swivels
Magpul SL Stock

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Also have a Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard, but was too tired to install last night after building this and installing all the upgrades
Also might get the new Edgar Sherman Designs Pebble Grip which is a smaller/PDW sized pistol grip that just dropped yesterday (?)
 
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The only people I've ever had criticize it are people on the Internet who do not own machine guns. I said what I said. 😤
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Right there with you. I have Holosuns on several of the uppers for my M10/9 and M11/380. They work well and hold zero even getting banged on in full-auto. I have a Holosun on the M1 Carbine I have waiting (not patiently) for the NFA Branch to approve the M2 kit I bought last fall. I'm sure it will survive .30 Carbine on full-auto. I'm not sure my wallet will be able to survive the same.

I've shot a full-auto M14. It was a beast. Your gun looks awesome, congratulations!
 
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Right there with you. I have Holosuns on several of the uppers for my M10/9 and M11/380. They work well and hold zero even getting banged on in full-auto. I have a Holosun on the M1 Carbine I have waiting (not patiently) for the NFA Branch to approve the M2 kit I bought last fall. I'm sure it will survive .30 Carbine on full-auto. I'm not sure my wallet will be able to survive the same.

I've shot a full-auto M14. It was a beast. Your gun looks awesome, congratulations!
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I've been contemplating an m2 as my next firearm. Fear of ammo, parts, and supposed running issues is driving me away. Please let me know how you're enjoying it once you have it.
 
Landric said:
I've shot a full-auto M14. It was a beast. Your gun looks awesome, congratulations!
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Amen! We had some M14s in inventory for a few years (courtesy of NC DPS LESS) and while most were semi-auto, there was one or two that were fully auto. I tried a magazine in fully automatic, limiting it to 3-4-5 round bursts. On that same range date, the son of the Chief (mid-to-late teens) was present and wanted to fire one. The firearms staff approved this and accompanied him to the line. Our range in is a valley, and has a HIGH berm (probably 200 feet or more prominence from the range / valley floor). He held the trigger and the rounds "walked" all the way up the berm (and I'm not wanting to commit that the last few were not over - 😬 -FORTUNATELY toward swampy river land).

Another time one of our deputies who was a serious shooter and gun buff (who was not a fan of 5.56) berated the Chief Deputy so much about an M14, he was given one (one of the fully automatic ones). He ran this gun like a BOSS and shot expert with it every single qualification, but once on some advanced skills (immediate action drills) he "accidentally" 🤨 ran one stage on automatic. I was not lead instructor that day and in fact had my camera doing stills (NOT a video guy!) He held the trigger too long and from a kneeling position it took him back off his knee... the muzzle climbing to almost about 45 degrees. 😬 I still have the pic-and thank goodness the rounds stayed on the berm as we were close to it.

Those two incidents in the same year closed out the full auto on M14s chapter in our training and use.
 
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I've been contemplating an m2 as my next firearm. Fear of ammo, parts, and supposed running issues is driving me away. Please let me know how you're enjoying it once you have it.
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I think the way to go with a M2 is a registered conversion kit instead of a registered receiver. That is how I went. M1 carbines (and their M2 siblings) are in the range of +/- 80 years old. It would suck to end up with a cracked receiver on a $15k registered MG. Fulton Armory makes a new production M1 to original specs that would be a great host. It is expensive, at around $2500, but it won't really be that long before nice GI carbines are knocking on that price door. I was actually considering buying one to use with my M2 kit (I was already spending $13k on the kit, what is another $2500 for the host?). However, I ended up getting a GI Inland M1 from a buddy that I knew ran and it worked perfectly with a kit (dealer has a range luckily).

Parts are still widely available. They made more than 6 million of the guns and lots of spare parts. I wouldn't worry about that, at least compared to a lot of other transferable MGs. Original magazines are pricey (when I started shooting in the early 1990s new in wrap GI 15 round mags were $1 each). However, they are still available. The Keep Shooting and Korean mags seem to work pretty well also (the Keep Shooting ones are better quality IMO). Ammo is available, but it costs about the same as .308/7.62 NATO, or perhaps slightly more depending on the source. I got several thousand rounds in a trade but once that is gone I am either going to have to cry buying ammo or spend a lot of time at the press. Either way it will not be nearly as economical to shoot as my other MGs which use 9mm, .380, .45 ACP, and 5.56 (thank you Mr. Lage).

As for the shooting experience, it is quite something. The M2 is fast, I'd guess around 900 RPM. It is super light, in the 5.5 lb. range. As such, with my limited practice I can't really hold a burst of more than 5 rounds on a steel silhouette at ~25 yards. In comparison, I can hold an entire 71 round drum of 9mm from my M11/380 with a Lage MAX-31k upper on the same target at the same distance. Of course the Lage'd M11 is almost twice the weight as the M2 and shooting 9mm.

I decided on the M2 because it was something different from what I have. At present I have two MACs and I am waiting on transfers for the aforementioned M2 and a BRP Stemple Suomi/U45. I previously owned a STEN Mk.II, a S&W 76 Clone, and a M10/45. I ended up selling those to fund the M2 and BRP. Everything I had previously and still have is an open bolt, pistol caliber, SMG. The M2 is closed bolt, shoots a completely different cartridge, and has completely different character. I probably won't shoot it nearly as much as the SMGs but I am looking forward to being able to have a completely different shooting experience in full-auto as compared to what I have now.

Whatever else the M2 Carbine is, it is huge fun to shoot.
 
Landric said:
I think the way to go with a M2 is a registered conversion kit instead of a registered receiver. That is how I went. M1 carbines (and their M2 siblings) are in the range of +/- 80 years old. It would suck to end up with a cracked receiver on a $15k registered MG. Fulton Armory makes a new production M1 to original specs that would be a great host. It is expensive, at around $2500, but it won't really be that long before nice GI carbines are knocking on that price door. I was actually considering buying one to use with my M2 kit (I was already spending $13k on the kit, what is another $2500 for the host?). However, I ended up getting a GI Inland M1 from a buddy that I knew ran and it worked perfectly with a kit (dealer has a range luckily).

Parts are still widely available. They made more than 6 million of the guns and lots of spare parts. I wouldn't worry about that, at least compared to a lot of other transferable MGs. Original magazines are pricey (when I started shooting in the early 1990s new in wrap GI 15 round mags were $1 each). However, they are still available. The Keep Shooting and Korean mags seem to work pretty well also (the Keep Shooting ones are better quality IMO). Ammo is available, but it costs about the same as .308/7.62 NATO, or perhaps slightly more depending on the source. I got several thousand rounds in a trade but once that is gone I am either going to have to cry buying ammo or spend a lot of time at the press. Either way it will not be nearly as economical to shoot as my other MGs which use 9mm, .380, .45 ACP, and 5.56 (thank you Mr. Lage).

As for the shooting experience, it is quite something. The M2 is fast, I'd guess around 900 RPM. It is super light, in the 5.5 lb. range. As such, with my limited practice I can't really hold a burst of more than 5 rounds on a steel silhouette at ~25 yards. In comparison, I can hold an entire 71 round drum of 9mm from my M11/380 with a Lage MAX-31k upper on the same target at the same distance. Of course the Lage'd M11 is almost twice the weight as the M2 and shooting 9mm.

I decided on the M2 because it was something different from what I have. At present I have two MACs and I am waiting on transfers for the aforementioned M2 and a BRP Stemple Suomi/U45. I previously owned a STEN Mk.II, a S&W 76 Clone, and a M10/45. I ended up selling those to fund the M2 and BRP. Everything I had previously and still have is an open bolt, pistol caliber, SMG. The M2 is closed bolt, shoots a completely different cartridge, and has completely different character. I probably won't shoot it nearly as much as the SMGs but I am looking forward to being able to have a completely different shooting experience in full-auto as compared to what I have now.

Whatever else the M2 Carbine is, it is huge fun to shoot.
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I appreciate the well put together response, it gives me a lot to consider. To be completely honest one thing you mentioned about your own decision making that I had not even factored in mine was "is this different from what I have?". I still hope you update us here once you receive your kit.
 
Big Dave said:
Amen! We had some M14s in inventory for a few years (courtesy of NC DPS LESS) and while most were semi-auto, there was one or two that were fully auto. I tried a magazine in fully automatic, limiting it to 3-4-5 round bursts. On that same range date, the son of the Chief (mid-to-late teens) was present and wanted to fire one. The firearms staff approved this and accompanied him to the line. Our range in is a valley, and has a HIGH berm (probably 200 feet or more prominence from the range / valley floor). He held the trigger and the rounds "walked" all the way up the berm (and I'm not wanting to commit that the last few were not over - 😬 -FORTUNATELY toward swampy river land).

Another time one of our deputies who was a serious shooter and gun buff (who was not a fan of 5.56) berated the Chief Deputy so much about an M14, he was given one (one of the fully automatic ones). He ran this gun like a BOSS and shot expert with it every single qualification, but once on some advanced skills (immediate action drills) he "accidentally" 🤨 ran one stage on automatic. I was not lead instructor that day and in fact had my camera doing stills (NOT a video guy!) He held the trigger too long and from a kneeling position it took him back off his knee... the muzzle climbing to almost about 45 degrees. 😬 I still have the pic-and thank goodness the rounds stayed on the berm as we were close to it.

Those two incidents in the same year closed out the full auto on M14s chapter in our training and use.
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Yeah being a well built 230 lb dude who was prepared for what I thought I was going to experience I could at most get approx 4-5 rounds somewhat on target from 50 yds on auto. Prone with bipod is NP tho.
 
Cricket said:
I appreciate the well put together response, it gives me a lot to consider. To be completely honest one thing you mentioned about your own decision making that I had not even factored in mine was "is this different from what I have?". I still hope you update us here once you receive your kit.
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I will definitely update once I have the kit and make it to the range with it. I did paper forms for the transfers because at the time the forms were submitted eforms wasn't coming back any faster and they were rejecting eforms transfers for minor errors instead of allowing corrections (corrections are allowed with paper forms). My dealer called me earlier this week and said all the pending transfers he has for me have now disappeared from his inventory. The last time that happened the approved paper form 4s arrived about 10 days later. So, I suspect the M2 and BRP have been approved and now the wait is just for ATF to mail and USPS to deliver the forms. Hopefully that means I will have the guns by the end of the month. Hopefully.

We are not that far apart. Perhaps we can arrange a time for you to try out the M2 if you are serious about wanting to get one and/or trying to decide if you want it to be your next MG.

The "what does this do differently" from what I have was really the deciding factor for me. I was coming at it from only having open bolt SMGs. From your perspective, a SMG might make more sense than a M2. So many choices. I would really like to have an Uzi (being a child/teenager of the 80's). However, as cool as they are, Uzis are still open bolt SMGs and I already have several of those.
 
Golly gee gotta admit I've wanted an Uzi for that reason and the famous pic of the SS Agent at the Reagan assassination attempt (and aside from it being one of the most reliable respected SMGs in the history of the planet, and all it did for the Israelis). How affordably can a fellow get into one of those through NFA processes? Scared to ask but it's probably less than I'm thinking. I wouldn't care about make or provenance as long as it's reliable and safe. Had a little open bolt experience back in the 80s.
 
Big Dave said:
Golly gee gotta admit I've wanted an Uzi for that reason and the famous pic of the SS Agent at the Reagan assassination attempt (and aside from it being one of the most reliable respected SMGs in the history of the planet, and all it did for the Israelis). How affordably can a fellow get into one of those through NFA processes? Scared to ask but it's probably less than I'm thinking. I wouldn't care about make or provenance as long as it's reliable and safe. Had a little open bolt experience back in the 80s.
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Last I checked Uzis were running $15-$20k, depending on registered bolt vs. receiver, IMI conversion vs. factory FA Vector/Group Industries. That is for the full-size gun (definitely the most iconic, most shootable, and probably most reliable). Add an additional $15-$20k for a registered Mini or Micro.

FWIW, my M10/9 has a Uzi magwell conversion. That definitely doesn't make it an Uzi, but it does mean I can use Uzi mags which are much better than any of the original MAC 9mm mag choices. With the Lage MAX-9 9mm upper it turns it into "The Uzi we have at home."
 
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Last I checked Uzis were running $15-$20k, depending on registered bolt vs. receiver, IMI conversion vs. factory FA Vector/Group Industries. That is for the full-size gun (definitely the most iconic, most shootable, and probably most reliable). Add an additional $15-$20k for a registered Mini or Micro.

FWIW, my M10/9 has a Uzi magwell conversion. That definitely doesn't make it an Uzi, but it does mean I can use Uzi mags which are much better than any of the original MAC 9mm mag choices. With the Lage MAX-9 9mm upper it turns it into "The Uzi we have at home."
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Thanks for the quick reply.

So semi-auto it is then. 😊
 
TheSnail said:
Got this NIB unfired Vector Uzi over the weekend. I already have a Micro Uzi and this same guy that I got the full size from, has a Mini. So now I'm going to convince him to sell me that one as well, so I can have the whole family.

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Man who do you know that has uzi's like that? I need to know that guy too. Looks nice, what are they going for these days?
 
Today I bought a 1 of 1, ACTUAL military M110 deployment package. Not a commemorative civilian-release gun from 15years ago, but a brand new package KAC manufactured last June, that I had custom ordered from Reed Knight himself. Reed really did not want to do this custom order for a multitude of reasons. However, my business partner and his good friend had a vary rare grenade launcher that Reed wanted for his arms museum. My guy told him he wanted a real military M110 (for me) in exchange for the grenade launcher. 8 long months later, Reed delivered the M110. It has all the KAC serialized paperwork including the factory matched suppressor and a military serial number M110 Receiver. You can find "bring back" uppers and suppressors, but the one thing you can not get is the military receiver. This entire package was manufactured 9 months ago. It is literally the only real NIB military package in civilian hands (other than Reeds). Not sure how much its worth, but I would imagine more than some of my highest-end machineguns. I should have the rifle in 10ish days, and the suppressor in about 3 weeks. I'll do some detailed pics when it comes in.

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Man who do you know that has uzi's like that? I need to know that guy too. Looks nice, what are they going for these days?
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Uzis change hands often, or at least they are more plentiful than most other subguns. Probably 2nd to the Mac guns. I've had half a dozen in the past 10years. sold most of them, but was seeking a brand new Vector Uzi to keep forever. Vector uzis are the most expensive of all the conversions (vector is not a conversion but a factory MG) and in excellent shape are around 22-23K today. More than triple what I paid for my first one in 2012. I got this one from a dealer friend for 18,500 NIB, which is a great deal in todays pricing.
 
I also got this NIB suppressed P238 from the same guy this weekend as well. He owns a company called DTA. He patented the mono-core suppressor back in the day. He stopped dealing with civilian sales/products about 10yrs ago. Just does government contract stuff/guns since. Mostly deals with miniguns, helicopters, tanks and 20mm cannons now.

Back in 2012 he did a sample gun for the Navy and partnered with SIG to make 50 of these P238s. They delivered the guns for the Navy trials but it did not go anywhere, so the project was scrapped. He had 2 NIB ones of these, one to keep indefinetly, and one I bought from him. They were made to be submerged under water and come with one of his baby 3 once titanium suppressors which is designed to be watertight (o-rings and wipes) (until the first shot). Being an underwater gun, Sig designed a fish scales theme, including the grips and the slide serrations. The barrel is also very unique and tapered to a bored out and tapered slide barrel hole.

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Who the heck are you lol. That's some serious dough to be throwing around and some specific taste. But I guess I can understand that. I find my taste continuously evolve into the more niche direction.
 
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Who the heck are you lol. That's some serious dough to be throwing around and some specific taste. But I guess I can understand that. I find my taste continuously evolve into the more niche direction.
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I'm just some guy whose always admired highend and rare guns. Built up a network over the past two decades dealing with highend dealers. Career wise I'm an inventor who does around 10-15 patents a year, mostly in lighting, supply chain, medical and laboratory devices. One of my main inventions was the machine that ruptures blood cells to do DNA/RNA extraction. I designed it for Abbott, which at the time (2011-15) was developing the Iridica system, later to be commonly known as the PCR test. Without that machine, the test would not be possible. Its one of the 7 critical devices needed. I got domestic and international patents on carrige design that allows the machine to opperate at 450G's without selfdestructing. The FDA in Europe is much more laxed and granted approval in 2017 wheres they delayed in the US. When covid hit the first thing the GOV did was expidite the FDA approvals purposely for this. I had bugged out with a bunch of guns to one of my mountain homes, but 2-3 days after bugging out the Gov called and asked if I would assist them if any issues arise. I said sure, but they never contacted me again. I felt like I was Jason Bourne or something. I should of played the part, smoking a cigarette and told them in a deep raspy voice: "I dont make blood cell ruptor machines anymore, that part of me died years ago.... "
 
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I'm just some guy whose always admired highend and rare guns. Built up a network over the past two decades dealing with highend dealers. Career wise I'm an inventor who does around 10-15 patents a year, mostly in lighting, supply chain, medical and laboratory devices. One of my main inventions was the machine that ruptures blood cells to do DNA/RNA extraction. I designed it for Abbott, which at the time (2011-15) was developing the Iridica system, later to be commonly known as the PCR test. Without that machine, the test would not be possible. Its one of the 7 critical devices needed. I got domestic and international patents on carrige design that allows the machine to opperate at 450G's without selfdestructing. The FDA in Europe is much more laxed and granted approval in 2017 wheres they delayed in the US. When covid hit the first thing the GOV did was expidite the FDA approvals purposely for this. I had bugged out with a bunch of guns to one of my mountain homes, but 2-3 days after bugging out the Gov called and asked if I would assist them if any issues arise. I said sure, but they never contacted me again. I felt like I was Jason Bourne or something. I should of played the part, smoking a cigarette and told them in a deep raspy voice: "I dont make blood cell ruptor machines anymore, that part of me died years ago.... "
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Are you looking to adopt any adult children by any chance? 👋 😂
 
Supermatch said:
Are you looking to adopt any adult children by any chance? 👋 😂
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One day I'm going to have a huge compound/farm. About a 1000 acres in Appalachia. Kind of a Militia but not really anti-gov, cult or anything like that. More of a self sustaining community armed to the teeth. Basically a compound of survivalist that keep to themselves and are prepared for anything. Farm, shoot guns, enjoy life/nature/fishing/hunting without the hustle and bustle of city life. When that time comes, you're more than welcome to join the family.
 
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I also got one of these M5 SCW SBRs two weeks ago and it just arrived yesterday. I have two dozen Colt SBRs. I collect them NIB. I've never had an M5 model or anything with one of these weird SCW folding stocks. It arrived yesterday, so I went by to see it and submit the form 4 about 4hrs ago. Went to do the Form-4 through Silencershop, but they said the GOV e-forms site is down again.

Nothing as special as my other recent purchases, but its still exciting.

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Did some work with the RC2 yesterday at Woodys, running drills and sighting a new scope in.

Also managed to scratch the end of my can on something, not mad cause it’s meant to be used but I’ve never been able to scratch my wardens running them pretty hard and managed to knock the cerakote off this one in an hour.

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