North Carolina Democrat Will Introduce a Gun Confiscation Bill

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Ammoland Inc. Posted on May 15, 2018 by Ammoland

North Carolina –-(Ammoland.com)- If Leftists in NC's General Assembly get their way, passage of “Gun Confiscation Order” laws could actually happen.

The Left obsesses over gun confiscation, even if they have to do it one person at a time. They have hit upon a new tactic of using “Gun Confiscation Orders” (GCOs) to seize someone’s property without due process or even their knowledge of what is to take place.

Rep. Marcia Morey, D-Durham plans on introducing a bill establishing these “Gun Confiscation Orders”.

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NC Rep. Marcia Morey, Durham Democrat

In something reminiscent of the Old Soviet Union clamping down on dissent through the mental health system, these would be secret procedures where someone alleges that someone is “Dangerous” and that their firearms should be taken from them by force.

So, who gets to decide if someone is “Dangerous”?
The gun grabbers have already said that we are ‘Terrorists’ so it’s not too much of a stretch for them to claim every gun owner is “dangerous” for just having them.

These “Gun Confiscation Orders” (sometimes referred to as ‘Red Flag' laws). are a proceeding by which your guns can be seized without due process or even your knowledge – until the ominous knock on your door. The purpose of the Constitutional principle of due process is to protect the individual from the full force of the government. These laws flip the Constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now with these laws, you can be deprived of your liberty on someone’s word in a one-sided hearing without your knowledge.

Leftists seem to be in competition to see how many natural and constitutional rights they can violate in one fell swoop. These are people who have no use for Liberty who still pretend to be Liberal.

These laws infringe on the 2nd abd two parts of the 5th and 4th amendments. And given that some have been persecuted for talking about the wrong subjects in public, the 1st could be easily on the list.

The proposed law would allow ‘colleagues’ or ‘friends’ to petition to a judge to have your guns seized and all they would have to do would be to “prove by a sworn affidavit, that you know and have direct knowledge that a person is in direct possession of guns.”

No Pretense, Just Straight-up Confiscation

GCOs are not a foot in the confiscatory door. There is no pretense here. GCOs blatantly and aggressively kick that door down, and once GCOs are in place, the valid reasons for establishing an GCO against an individual will surely loosen. At first, perhaps close family members and a few others very close to a person may be able to point a finger and “report” him. That’s bad enough, but be sure, the already Orwellian rules surrounding GCOs will expand. It’s likely that, eventually, virtually anyone in a person’s sphere will be able to accuse a person and begin the unconstitutional process of having the accused’s legally owned firearms forcibly confiscated. Does this sound like a free country to you, a free state?

Will Republicans Protect the Citizenry?

As of now, we don’t know how the Republican majority in Raleigh will react when asked to establish a gun confiscation mechanism. We do know that there is always danger that politicians will stick a finger in the air and just “go with the flow,” as the anti-gun crowd aggressively pushes to not “let a crisis go to waste.” There is real danger here. We need to inform our representatives that we will not allow them to rescind our Constitutional due process rights. Free, law-abiding citizens are to remain free, and we will not tolerate being punished for the crimes of another.

Below, see how you can contact your representatives to let them know you won’t tolerate the establishment of extra-Constitutional laws in our state.

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!

EMAIL REPUBLICANS IN THE NC HOUSE: Click here, then here, and then here. Check your default email program after clicking each link. Each time, an email should have been automatically generated for you. Simply add your name to the bottom and hit “send.” If the email(s) were not generated, or were not generated properly, simply use the copy/paste email lists provided below, and the copy/paste text provided under ‘Deliver This Message.’
PHONE YOUR NC REPRESENTATIVE: Use this link to find your representative. Tell him or her that you expect them to actively and vocally stand against any legislation that would establish extra-Constitutional “Firearms Restraining Orders,” kangaroo courts setup to strip citizens of gun rights without due process.

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Well, I'll be that guy. That's a whole lot of bluster with zero actual information. You know, like the bill number. Maybe some of the text. All the red flag laws are not created equal but most actually give the person due process, or at least have to go through several legal layers to complete them. And a judge has already overturned one in FL and taken the person off the prohibited list.

I'll have to read the law when it comes around to get wound up about it, or not.
 
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Don’t we already have a legal process for this? “Adjudicated mentally deficient” or some such nonsense comes to mind.
 
The problem that I see with this is that due process costs a lot of money. These liberals that stomp and scream and cry about a photo ID being too big of a burden for voting, where one of the reasons they like to use is that the poor can't afford it. Yet they are willing to make gun owners pay thousands to get their guns back. They are wanting ex parte proceedings with no accountability on the accuser.
 
Don’t we already have a legal process for this? “Adjudicated mentally deficient” or some such nonsense comes to mind.

Adjudicated mentally deficient is most likely more time consuming, but yes it does exist. Currently I think you become a prohibited person but there is no real avenue to pursue removing guns after you are prohibited. Also AMD means you are permanently prohibited, the red flag laws are not necessarily permanent and can be reversed pretty quick and easy IF written correctly. On the plus side, NC already has a clear path to recovering your rights if you have lost them for a mental health reason.

The laws are not necessarily all bad, but they have to be written very carefully to not be a disaster.
 
My view from across your southern border is that your state is almost lost to the yankee lib hord.

No.....we're just safeguarded by a GOP full of all talk and no action and the milquetoasts that vote for them while insisting it's the only way.

It'll take a minute to sweep the RINOs out of power, regardless of who eventually does it.
 
Adjudicated mentally deficient is most likely more time consuming, but yes it does exist. Currently I think you become a prohibited person but there is no real avenue to pursue removing guns after you are prohibited. Also AMD means you are permanently prohibited, the red flag laws are not necessarily permanent and can be reversed pretty quick and easy IF written correctly. On the plus side, NC already has a clear path to recovering your rights if you have lost them for a mental health reason.

The laws are not necessarily all bad, but they have to be written very carefully to not be a disaster.
A good friend of mine had his guns taken by the sherrifs dept. because his crazy wife made up stories about him and filed for a emergency restraining order. Long story short the guns are gone and three months later he is still trying to get them back even though the lunatic wife never went through with going in front of a judge a second time to extend the order past the first few days. Any one can make up a story about you and get your guns confiscated because they are scared or full of crap and you will go through hell getting them back.
 
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A good friend of mine had his guns taken by the sherrifs dept. because his crazy wife made up stories about him and filed for a emergency restraining order. Long story short the guns are gone and three months later he is still trying to get them back even though the lunatic wife never went through with going in front of a judge a second time to extend the order past the first few days. Any one can make up a story about you and get your guns confiscated because they are scared or full of crap and you will go through hell getting them back.

And to be honest, this may be one of the best reasons for streamlining this system. It's piecemeal right now, which is a bigger problem than having an outlined system that works. If this is written correctly you get another hearing in front of the judge anyway, without having to wade through a mess to get one. You are usually required to have one at a point in the future. Then again, it might not help your friend because the restraining order stuff is a different ball game.
 
A lot of stuff here lately that's being proposed doesn't sound very conducive to liberty of free citizens....

Reckon I'll have to add this one to my "opt out" list.
 
And to be honest, this may be one of the best reasons for streamlining this system. It's piecemeal right now, which is a bigger problem than having an outlined system that works. If this is written correctly you get another hearing in front of the judge anyway, without having to wade through a mess to get one. You are usually required to have one at a point in the future. Then again, it might not help your friend because the restraining order stuff is a different ball game.

Things would have been a lot different 50 years ago. If Crazy Uncle Clem had gotten out of hand back then, he would have gotten a visit from the Sheriff.

If Clem was way off base, chances were good that he would have been carted off to the looney bin, where he might have enjoyed an indefinite vacation. It seemed that folks were locked away more easily back then and it wasn't so easy to get out; and there was more room to keep folks locked away.

If Clem was just a little off base, the Sheriff might have taken Clem's guns and given them to a trusted relative, friend, or neighbor for safekeeping. There did not seem to be as many ACLU lawyers involved back then.

But things are a lot better today, with everybody's Constitutional rights jealously guarded in courts of law.
 
Things would have been a lot different 50 years ago. If Crazy Uncle Clem had gotten out of hand back then, he would have gotten a visit from the Sheriff.

If Clem was way off base, chances were good that he would have been carted off to the looney bin, where he might have enjoyed an indefinite vacation. It seemed that folks were locked away more easily back then and it wasn't so easy to get out; and there was more room to keep folks locked away.

If Clem was just a little off base, the Sheriff might have taken Clem's guns and given them to a trusted relative, friend, or neighbor for safekeeping. There did not seem to be as many ACLU lawyers involved back then.

But things are a lot better today, with everybody's Constitutional rights jealously guarded in courts of law.

Not enough beds and bins these days. Just turn them back out on the street and blame everyone else when they do what crazy people do. Folks are all gung ho about keeping guns out of the hands of nuts and loons, until it's time to figure out how to keep the guns out of the hands of nuts and loons. Odd that we all cheer the idea but complain about the implementation. Not sure that's going to work out for the best. Especially if we opt out of crafting the laws and defining it's boundaries.
 
You know what the next day's headline in the news paper should read after any legislator introduces a gun confiscation bill?

"Legislator removed from office by lack of confidence vote"

This should happen immediately after ANY law maker tries to pull stunts like this.
 
This shit is happening for real in other states (e.g. MA).

Is there an actual bill number we can lookup & reference when calling our reps?

Anyone have a link to a "rep finder?"

We recently moved from MA. Know who our federal reps are, but not state...
 
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