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HawgBonz

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FK NO..
Not that it couldn't just as easily get done at my next lab w/o my knowledge. But still, this request just seems creepy..
Did any of y'all get this crap email from the VA? Anybody actually did it? šŸ¤”

The VAā€™s Million Veteran Program (MVP) is a research program studying how genes, lifestyle, military experiences, and exposures affect Veteran health and wellness. With the help of Veterans like you, weā€™re advancing important research to improve Veteran healthcare.

We are only 11,000 away from the historic one million milestone!

You can make a difference - Join MVP from the comfort of your own home. You donā€™t need to receive VA care to participate.

Visit www.mvp.va.gov to join MVP online. After completing the enrollment process, you can choose to schedule a blood draw in-person or to receive an at-home blood collection kit in the mail. The blood collection kit gently sticks to your skin and with a tiny prick, draws a small amount of blood into a mini tube.

To protect your privacy, there is no identifiable information in the return package and your blood is stored securely for research use only.
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HawgBonz said:
What is it s'posed to be for? On the surface it just sounds creepy.
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Longitudinal and generational information based on military experience.

As an example, we knew in the 70s that combat MOSs as an aggregate die from heart disease earlier, but why? A study like this could point to some answers and allow the military and VA to combat those things (no pun intended) earlier.

Coping mechanisms, wellness/fitness/diet, tobacco and alcohol use, psychiatric and mental concerns, etc.
 
It's not like they'll give you syphilis, or LSD, or try and use mind control on you, or test radiation exposure protocols on you, or test damaging social experiments on you, or expose you to dioxins, Agent Orange, nuclear waste, PCBs or asbestos then refuse culpability. You're just paranoid.
 
I got the email...read it, shook my head and moved on.

Army already took my blood, my DNA, my sense of humor, the best years of my life, a part of my soul and jabbed my ass full of stuff I can't pronounce...I am not willingly giving anything else.
 
Chuckman said:
Longitudinal and generational information based on military experience.

As an example, we knew in the 70s that combat MOSs as an aggregate die from heart disease earlier, but why? A study like this could point to some answers and allow the military and VA to combat those things (no pun intended) earlier.

Coping mechanisms, wellness/fitness/diet, tobacco and alcohol use, psychiatric and mental concerns, etc.
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might have something to do with our own government spraying chemicals on their own troops...
 
Chuckman said:
Longitudinal and generational information based on military experience.
As an example, we knew in the 70s that combat MOSs as an aggregate die from heart disease earlier, but why? A study like this could point to some answers and allow the military and VA to combat those things (no pun intended) earlier.
Coping mechanisms, wellness/fitness/diet, tobacco and alcohol use, psychiatric and mental concerns, etc.
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I just can't trust in anything related to .gov and .med isn't too far behind when it comes to volunteering information or injections.
Hell, I won't even get a flu shot anymore. Given current and recent events it'd be a hard case to make that such feelings are unwarranted.
I'm sure somebody/somewhere has or had good intentions with such studies.
I'm equally sure there's the possibility, or mebbe even an intention, for "misuse" or non-desired use.
Kinda like that whole genealogy thing. No Thanks.. I ain't that curious..šŸ˜£
If they want that kindof information they're gonna hafta steal it.
Thanks much for trying to explain it to me.. :cool:
 
Chuckman said:
Or....might not. Or both things can be true.
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From my vantage point, its the government that either directly (agent orange, shad, anthrax/covid shots), or indirectly (environmental hazards like dust and normal wartime exposures) puts service members in the crosshairs.

What doesn't change regardless of how you're exposed is the delay/denial that will happen...tool Vietnam vets 30yr (off the top of my head) before they got tge benefits they deserved. Current era vets waited about 20yrs for this pact act stuff to recognize that yea, we dumped all kinds of nasty &^$# into burn pits, and that caused health problems.

So, bit jaded on the government's good intentions...
 
HawgBonz said:
I just can't trust in anything related to .gov and .med isn't too far behind when it comes to volunteering information or injections.
Hell, I won't even get a flu shot anymore. Given current and recent events it'd be a hard case to make that such feelings are unwarranted.
I'm sure somebody/somewhere has or had good intentions with such studies.
I'm equally sure there's the possibility, or mebbe even an intention, for "misuse" or non-desired use.
Kinda like that whole genealogy thing. No Thanks.. I ain't that curious..šŸ˜£
If they want that kindof information they're gonna hafta steal it.
Thanks much for trying to explain it to me.. :cool:
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On a scale from 'totally harmless' to 'fully harmful' I am a bit in the middle. I absolutely think the data can be mismanaged.
 
Diablos said:
From my vantage point, its the government that either directly (agent orange, shad, anthrax/covid shots), or indirectly (environmental hazards like dust and normal wartime exposures) puts service members in the crosshairs.

What doesn't change regardless of how you're exposed is the delay/denial that will happen...tool Vietnam vets 30yr (off the top of my head) before they got tge benefits they deserved. Current era vets waited about 20yrs for this pact act stuff to recognize that yea, we dumped all kinds of nasty &^$# into burn pits, and that caused health problems.

So, bit jaded on the government's good intentions...
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You are talking to a guy with cancer and on the Camp Lejeune water registry, so yeah....
 
Chuckman said:
You are talking to a guy with cancer and on the Camp Lejeune water registry, so yeah....
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its worse when im talking to people like you, or spouses and have to deny care (or tell them they have to do x/y/z before anything can happen) due to bs rules that congress makes. the cl rules for family members are a joke
 
I don't want anyone to think this is a slight on the healthcare side of the VA. I have received excellent medical care from them.
The Docs and nurses have been great to work with. The scheduling folks are hit-n-miss. Lotsa J.O.B.S. program kinda crap there. :rolleyes:
The admin side of it is where things get outta whack. I know this from personal experience and exposure to it for several years.

What I do know for fact is that the closer anything gets to politics/politicians, the more likely it is to be fukt somehow. šŸ¤”
 
HawgBonz said:
I don't want anyone to think this is a slight on the healthcare side of the VA. I have received excellent medical care from them.
The Docs and nurses have been great to work with. The scheduling folks are hit-n-miss. Lotsa J.O.B.S. program kinda crap there. :rolleyes:
The admin side of it is where things get outta whack. I know this from personal experience and exposure to it for several years.

What I do know for fact is that the closer anything gets to politics/politicians, the more likely it is to be fukt somehow. šŸ¤”
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Single-payer, government healthcare. Even in systems where 'socialized' medicine is the norm, the bedside folks are usually pretty good; it's everyone 'above' them baked into the bureaucracy where the issues lay.
 
I've got news for you...if you were in the military at least in the mid-90s or so, you've already contributed a blood draw for DNA purposes.

Presumably it was for body identification purposes. However, the problem with this is that no matter what the laws said at the time this was instituted, there's nothing preventing the laws themselves from changing later and allowing that information to be used for any other purpose whatsoever and for any reason.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
I've got news for you...if you were in the military at least in the mid-90s or so, you've already contributed a blood draw for DNA purposes.

Presumably it was for body identification purposes. However, the problem with this is that no matter what the laws said at the time this was instituted, there's nothing preventing the laws themselves from changing later and allowing that information to be used for any other purpose whatsoever and for any reason.
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Same if you're a sketchy foreign dude living here. They took blood and a cheek swab iirc.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
I've got news for you...if you were in the military at least in the mid-90s or so, you've already contributed a blood draw for DNA purposes.

Presumably it was for body identification purposes. However, the problem with this is that no matter what the laws said at the time this was instituted, there's nothing preventing the laws themselves from changing later and allowing that information to be used for any other purpose whatsoever and for any reason.
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Like I said.. They're gonna hafta steal it.. šŸ˜ šŸ¤  šŸ‘

Laws?
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RetiredUSNChief said:
I've got news for you...if you were in the military at least in the mid-90s or so, you've already contributed a blood draw for DNA purposes.

Presumably it was for body identification purposes. However, the problem with this is that no matter what the laws said at the time this was instituted, there's nothing preventing the laws themselves from changing later and allowing that information to be used for any other purpose whatsoever and for any reason.
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They make do it illegally (or in an ex post facto way), but no way in hell will i willingly give consent for evil sob's like fraudchi to use that to conduct experiments on
 
Long_Hunter said:
I got the email...read it, shook my head and moved on.

Army already took my blood, my DNA, my sense of humor, the best years of my life, a part of my soul and jabbed my ass full of stuff I can't pronounce...I am not willingly giving anything else.
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This ^^^
 
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