Oregon bill to limit magazine capacity to 5 rounds and purchase 20 rounds every 30 days

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https://www.guns.com/news/2019/01/1...iIN0Bi8_QulGE0zBxLJIOuhM49zy4wI6_oFO6KAmVjRl8

Legislation submitted in the Democrat-controlled Oregon legislature would fundamentally change the state’s firearm laws, recasting them as the most restrictive in the country.

State Sen. Rob Wagner has submitted SB 501 for the upcoming session. Wagner’s bill would require licensing for gun owners prior to purchase, outlaw firearm magazines capable of holding more than five rounds and limit individual ammunition sales to no more than 20 rounds every 30 days.

Wagner conceded to local media that it was “probably a long shot that something like this passes in whole cloth,” but is proceeding with the measure on behalf of a group of student gun control advocates. A Portland-area Democrat, Wagner was endorsed by New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown group who also contributed directly to his campaign last fall.

Besides its restrictions on ammunition and requirements for licensing, SB 501 would also mandate that background checks be delayed for 14-days so that state police can research would-be buyers, fine gun owners who failed to report lost or stolen firearms and require guns be locked up when not in use. There would be no grandfathering of magazines affected by the ban.

The bill is strongly opposed by both state and national gun rights groups as well as Republicans in the legislature.

“Oregonians need to show up at the Capitol and express their concern over their personal safety and the harm caused by this kind of legislation,” said Rep. Bill Post, R-Keizer, who went on to point out that everyone from hunters unable to meet their allowed bag limit due to lack of ammo to gun owners who would have their now-legal firearms outlawed had skin in the game.

“That means your old six shot revolver would be required to be turned in or destroyed,” said Post.

While Washington, D.C., nine U.S. states, and a number of municipalities have arbitrary restrictions on magazine capacity, none would set the bar as low as Oregon’s proposed law. When New York adopted a seven round restriction as part of their SAFE Act in 2013, a federal judge overturned it the next year, saying that it violated the Second Amendment, leaving many counties in the Empire State to stop enforcing it.

Democrats enjoy a super-majority in both the Oregon House and Senate and have muscled several anti-gun bills through Salem to the waiting desk of fellow Dem, Gov. Kate Brown. Brown, who has in the past directed state police to track and analyze gun transactions, while urging Congress to ban “assault weapons” and enact no fly/no buy legislation, picked up a $250,000 donation from Bloomberg in 2016.
 
Just a guess...
Propose draconian gun bill, give everyone something to vote against for propaganda, "look I'm progun"
Have some other yahoo introduce "moderate" gun bill, 10rnds, fixed mags, no pistol grips, no flash hiders, blah blah, get all necessary votes because, "reasonable" and doing nothing is for some reason not an option in this country.
 
This would be the definition of infringing (firearms that cannot be modified to comply + no grandfathering + no compensation for lost property). In some way I hope it passes and that the 9th finds it all kosher...so that SCOTUS will finally smack down these shenanigans.

My additional comments don't belong in an open forum.
 
It would be a ban on all semiautomatic handguns because nobody makes a 5 round mag for any pistol except maybe a mousy 380.
No magazine can be "permanently" altered.
Only a few rifles have 5 round mags available.
I have said before that the ultimate goal of the left is to ban everything except single shot muzzle loaders. They can still claim to honor the 2A as writing in 1790 even though SCOTUS unanimously rejected such a ruling by the MA SJC. [yes the MA SJC ruled that the US Constitution only protected technology available in 1790.]
Just word of this law being proposed should wake up SCOTUS and other federal courts that are not yet completely corrupted. SCOTUS needs to smack down all magazine limits and AWB's. Standard magazines and modern sporting rifles are in wide common use. They are not "military" weapons at all.
 
In some way I hope it passes and that the 9th finds it all kosher...so that SCOTUS will finally smack down these shenanigans.
It's foolish to lay your hopes at the feet of those tyrants in black, who have demonstrated that the 2nd is a disfavored right.
 
This would be the definition of infringing (firearms that cannot be modified to comply + no grandfathering + no compensation for lost property). In some way I hope it passes and that the 9th finds it all kosher...so that SCOTUS will finally smack down these shenanigans.

My additional comments don't belong in an open forum.
9th circus will have an ex parte meeting with Oregon state officials. They will tell the state they will rule against them in a way that leaves 10 round mag limits in tact but only if the state agrees not to appeal. Sure, such a meeting would be illegal. But the 9th cares more about the agenda than the rule of law or the US Constitution.
Many states begs anti-gun states not to appeal rulings that go against the agenda to avoid a SCOTUS decision against them for similar laws.
 
It's foolish to lay your hopes at the feet of those tyrants in black, who have demonstrated that the 2nd is a disfavored right.

And that leads to the discussions that should be held in private rather than on the internet ;)
 
Many states begs anti-gun states not to appeal rulings that go against the agenda to avoid a SCOTUS decision against them for similar laws.
Funny how they engage in that form of triage, letting certain things stand in one area to avoid having things stricken in other regressive areas. Chief amongst them seems to be a challenge to "May Issue".
 
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My friend messaged me yesterday about this.
Its a proposed bill, and I dont believe it'll get close to passing.
While you have places like Portland, it's a pretty rural area and I doubt many will actually go for it.

But for this guy it'll be a way to hike up his ratings among his people
 
It would be a ban on all semiautomatic handguns because nobody makes a 5 round mag for any pistol except maybe a mousy 380.
No magazine can be "permanently" altered.
Only a few rifles have 5 round mags available.
I have said before that the ultimate goal of the left is to ban everything except single shot muzzle loaders. They can still claim to honor the 2A as writing in 1790 even though SCOTUS unanimously rejected such a ruling by the MA SJC. [yes the MA SJC ruled that the US Constitution only protected technology available in 1790.]
Just word of this law being proposed should wake up SCOTUS and other federal courts that are not yet completely corrupted. SCOTUS needs to smack down all magazine limits and AWB's. Standard magazines and modern sporting rifles are in wide common use. They are not "military" weapons at all.

My personal take, especially with the insistence of the idea of ''militia' is an operative clause, and the insistence upon the sacrosanct concept of stare decisis - we take the shitty Miller decision (1939) and get SBRs out of the NFA as well as overturning the Hughes Amendment.
 
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Sometimes I wish we could just have a line of demarcation or Mason Dixon if you will

All of us on one side and all of them on the other. Let them do choose as the way they see fit to live but leave us alone. Let’s make it 2 different countries if you will.
we had 13 different countries to start with, all cooperating at levels of mutual benefit where a central federal government had limited power.
 
we had 13 different countries to start with, all cooperating at levels of mutual benefit where a central federal government had limited power.


That is kinda what I was talking about
I think we need to get back to that.
 
I think we're too spread out and integrated. If the dividing line is NC/SC are you going to move?
I mentioned in another thread, I believe we may end up in a society with liberal Metropolis' with controlled access like a giant gated community. And the rest if us non compliant ones will live in the badlands. (Happily)
 
I think we're too spread out and integrated. If the dividing line is NC/SC are you going to move?
I mentioned in another thread, I believe we may end up in a society with liberal Metropolis' with controlled access like a giant gated community. And the rest if us non compliant ones will live in the badlands. (Happily)

That is overly optimistic. Someone wins and someone loses. That's the way the world works and history has proven. Are they rocking semi auto rifles in the Highlands of Scotland, the Alps or the boonies of Germany? Yeah, not much. And either will we if things go south.
 
That is overly optimistic. Someone wins and someone loses. That's the way the world works and history has proven. Are they rocking semi auto rifles in the Highlands of Scotland, the Alps or the boonies of Germany? Yeah, not much. And either will we if things go south.
My reasoning is practical. I think that they won't have the resources to enforce their agenda in the rural areas, nukes or not. So, they will control what they can, which is also bolstered by a populace that buys into the concept and wants that control. The further they go out geography, the thinner they stretch their resources to a point of deminshing return. So, they will build their Oz and keep bad people out.
Just a hypothetical idea.
 
we had 13 different countries to start with, all cooperating at levels of mutual benefit where a central federal government had limited power.
A lot of folks will tell you that it didn’t work out so well, which is why they formed what came next (not what we have today).
 
My reasoning is practical. I think that they won't have the resources to enforce their agenda in the rural areas, nukes or not. So, they will control what they can, which is also bolstered by a populace that buys into the concept and wants that control. The further they go out geography, the thinner they stretch their resources to a point of deminshing return. So, they will build their Oz and keep bad people out.
Just a hypothetical idea.

But they can turn off your power, water and access to banks, employment and in most cases food. How many people are self sufficient? It isn't the 1800's any longer. There is no hiding from the agenda. Fight or fold.
 
But they can turn off your power, water and access to banks, employment and in most cases food. How many people are self sufficient? It isn't the 1800's any longer. There is no hiding from the agenda. Fight or fold.
That’s still a scenario of govt. targeting an individual, not a community or a region. You’re right, as an island most people aren’t self sufficient. Communities could be, at least to a degree.

It also assumes that when govt. decides to turn on the people that everyone else will stand by meekly. In most times that is perhaps true, but that’s kind of the point about 4th turning theory: times change and with it the collective social mood, such that an event, were it to occur some other time would fizzle out, gets a wildly different reaction when the people are in a bad mood.
 
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That’s still a scenario of govt. targeting an individual, not a community or a region. You’re right, as an island most people aren’t self sufficient. Communities could be, at least to a degree.

It also assumes that when govt. decides to turn on the people that everyone else will stand by meekly. In most times that is perhaps true, but that’s kind of the point about 4th turning theory: times change and with it the collective social mood, such that an event, were it to occur some other time would fizzle out, gets a wildly different reaction when the people are in a bad mood.

Where are these mythical communities? IMO the disease has spread to all corners. Sadly.
 
Where are these mythical communities? IMO the disease has spread to all corners. Sadly.
People aren’t living in communes, lol. I’m thinking more of small rural towns. Not going down the SHTF rabbit hole, many of them could support their local community. They grow enough food locally to survive. They don’t need a duke power feed. They would still have water. They could provide reasonable security. There are enough people to provide basic services. Of course it wouldn’t be like it is today, but George’s urban prisons with rural bad lands makes sense.
 
My reasoning is practical. I think that they won't have the resources to enforce their agenda in the rural areas, nukes or not. So, they will control what they can, which is also bolstered by a populace that buys into the concept and wants that control. The further they go out geography, the thinner they stretch their resources to a point of deminshing return. So, they will build their Oz and keep bad people out.
Just a hypothetical idea.

Except the metro areas need us for our labor and resources. The cities won't be able to get by without the people that actually keep this country alive. Source - the war this country already fought over it.
 
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Except the metro areas need us for our labor and resources. The cities won't be able to get by without the people that actually keep this country alive. Source - the war this country already fought over it.
Just like Hunger Games.
An all powerful and wealthy central city supported by forced labor in the surrounding areas.

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Except the metro areas need us for our labor and resources. The cities won't be able to get by without the people that actually keep this country alive. Source - the war this country already fought over it.
My simplistic answer, is controlled access. Based on services provided, background checks, proper credentials, badged or biometric ID's workers will be allowed limited access to specific areas. Of course they will have to go through screening points upon entry to limit contraband. Park in secured areas, brought in by some form of mass transit. Want to see a small scale version of this wonderland? Think about this the next time you're at the airport. Airport workers live this every day. But, it's not really small scale. Past the checkpoints is considered the "sterile" area. The sterile area actually extends on to the plane, across the airspace, to the other airport and only ends when you leave the airport security area on the other side.

Just like Hunger Games.
An all powerful and wealthy central city supported by forced labor in the surrounding areas.
Well, not forced... yet. Workers living outside will choose to, either by economics or choice of living environment.
 
Where are these mythical communities? IMO the disease has spread to all corners. Sadly.
I disagree that the disease has spread to all corners. I believe it is mostly a "city" thing and carries weight only because of the population density equating to votes. Rural America is still, well... Red, White and Blue American.
But they can turn off your power, water and access to banks, employment and in most cases food. How many people are self sufficient? It isn't the 1800's any longer. There is no hiding from the agenda. Fight or fold.
I think you're mistaken. We have the food.

I think you need to spend some time with in the country. ;)
 
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I disagree that the disease has spread to all corners. I believe it is mostly a "city" thing and carries weight only because of the population density equating to votes. Rural America is still, well... Red, White and Blue American.

I think you're mistaken. We have the food.

I think you need to spend some time with in the country. ;)

You are likely in a small minority. Some of rural America is still red, white and blue, but some of it is drug addicted trash, Dem supporters and ill prepared. We have a place in the mountains. Just because a person lives in a rural setting it doesn't magically make them a farmer, super-prepper or ready to survive the end times. I am a perfect example.
 
Except the metro areas need us for our labor and resources. The cities won't be able to get by without the people that actually keep this country alive. Source - the war this country already fought over it.

Yep, plus elfties won't let you live peacefully out in the country. In order for Communism to exsit it must trap everybody in the system. Plus don't forget how arrogant they are. They must subjugate you for your own good. They know best.
 
You are likely in a small minority. Some of rural America is still red, white and blue, but some of it is drug addicted trash, Dem supporters and ill prepared. We have a place in the mountains. Just because a person lives in a rural setting it doesn't magically make them a farmer, super-prepper or ready to survive the end times. I am a perfect example.
Oh, you're one of those. o_O


:DJust kidding.
 
Oh, you're one of those. o_O


:DJust kidding.

I'm kinda in between. Eyes open and working on things, but not where I'd like to be. But if you spend time in the mountians you realize there is a vast array of people around. They aren't all on your team or the great mountain men survivalist you see in the movies.
 
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My son just had a home invasion the other day. He was in his basement working out. He heard noises upstairs. He doesn't like guns. He's heavy into martial arts and edged weapons. He grabbed a Samurai sword and went upstairs to find 4 dudes going through his stuff. He chased them out of the house. I told him he was lucky that none of them were armed because they would have probably shot him when he came through the door with a big ass sword! The cops caught 3 of them, 15,17,and 18 year old high school students. They came in around 10:00 am. Luckily he wasn't hurt. Maybe he will rethink the firearms thing now? I would say he had 4 good reasons to need a 30 round mag in that case!
 
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Seriously man I think I’d rather get shot than get cut up with a samurai sword. Glad he’s ok and didn’t have to explain using that thing.
 
I'm kinda in between. Eyes open and working on things, but not where I'd like to be. But if you spend time in the mountians you realize there is a vast array of people around. They aren't all on your team or the great mountain men survivalist you see in the movies.
You may be in a different environment in the mountains, especially if you're in a newer community. I think the voting demographics show rural areas away from the metropolises tend to be red. Our mountains are infiltrated with half-backs from the north. :D
 
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