https://www.npr.org/2019/12/09/7865...d-pistol-used-in-pensacola-air-station-attack
interesting
didn’t know this was a thing
interesting
didn’t know this was a thing
@NCLivingBrit what are your thoughts, and have you learned going through theses hoops?
Our constitution and bill of rights applies to the citizens of this country and not foreign nationals. No foreign national should be allowed to purchase or carry any weapon for any purpose on US soil. Once you become a citizen then all rights are guaranteed.
I'm not a constitutional scholar or even a shyster lawyer, but I have to disagree with you on this one, Chad. We all talk about the Bill of Rights and remind the progressives that neither the BOR or the government GIVE us our rights; that the BOR simply states our God-given rights to show that they are protected from the government. There's nothing in the BOR or any of the amendments that says freedom of speech, assembly, religion, bearing arms, or protection from unreasonable search & seizure, or protection from self-incrimination, etc. are only for citizens.
If a person's value lies in their human-ness and if human life is sacrosanct, then humans have the right of self-defense.
I would agree that all humans should enjoy the right to self defense simply because self-preservation is a hard wired mechanism to the human mind.
I'd have to agree with Chad though (huh, didn't realize his name was actually Chad {is that short for Chadwick?}), that in this country, the rights enumerated in the BOR apply to citizens and *if* a foreign national wants to enjoy those rights, then they should become naturalized.
Now, that's probably an r/unpopularopinion since we have a few fine folks here who may not be US citizens but, we can't please everybody.
Argument shmargument. This is debate.Not looking for an *argument* (although I enjoy healthy and respectful debates), but I can't recall anything in our constitution saying rights are only for citizens.
If rights WERE only for citizens, then you'd think all of the aliens wouldn't in such a dang hurry to come here illegally.
Our constitution and bill of rights applies to the citizens of this country and not foreign nationals. No foreign national should be allowed to purchase or carry any weapon for any purpose on US soil. Once you become a citizen then all rights are guaranteed.
As a resident alien, I'd be among those stripped of my firearms.
Our constitution and bill of rights applies to the citizens of this country and not foreign nationals. No foreign national should be allowed to purchase or carry any weapon for any purpose on US soil. Once you become a citizen then all rights are guaranteed.
As a resident alien, I'd be among those stripped of my firearms.
Which is precisely why we, as a civilized republic, should have the moral certainty and the courage of our convictions to recognize God-given rights are not based upon nationality or where one was born. He created us all - each and every one of us, and we would do well to remember that as we engage in politics. Perhaps the screening process for foreign nationals could be different than it is for citizens - especially in light of a larger body of work (life history?) to be evaluated when looking at citizens compared to foreign nationals who may have only been here for weeks or months, but to deny the right entirely seems unjust and hypocritical.
Well while that would be unfortunate, just like with any application of law there are alway sad stories of those good people who are effected.
But out of curiosity if the choice when you moved here was become a citizen if you want to own firearms wouldn’t you have pursued naturalization instead of resident alien?
Visa holders are short term, typically. Not sure I'm good with them being able to buy guns while they are here. Anyone coming to hunt is likely bringing their own.
Until someone goes through the process of becoming a citizen, where in they denounce allegiance to their country of origin and swear allegiance to our land/constitution they are a foreign citizen in our country. They are a potential threat.
I'm not sure. While my homeland is a despicable snake pit of multiculturalism and socialist nonsense it is still my homeland. What would I have chosen had I been forced to choose, I'm honestly not sure.
I love this country I do, but it often eats its own young and it's been hard to consider that last step. Also the government makes it an insufferable shitshow compared to just being a resident alien.
You don't have to choose between them as both countries recognize dual citizenship.
Just because one denounces former country and swears to USA does not eliminate any threat. Simply denouncing origin country in a citizenship ceremony does not eliminate their citizenship of that country.
Well if they do. I don’t think all countries do. But I’m not certain of that.
And of course you can’t have duel citizenship and have access to classified materials. At least that was the case when I joined the corps. I had to renounce my Thai citizenship.
sounds like a tax nightmare.Canada, Great Britain and the USA all recognize each other and one can have dual/triple citizenship.
...the government makes it an insufferable shitshow compared to just being a resident alien.
sounds like a tax nightmare.
If CA and GB both take 40-50% ea, and the US wants 24%... where do you get that extra 4-24%
Well while that would be unfortunate, just like with any application of law there are alway sad stories of those good people who are effected.
But out of curiosity if the choice when you moved here was become a citizen if you want to own firearms wouldn’t you have pursued naturalization instead of resident alien?