Poll Question to you all about NC CCH Class Structure

Goode idea?

  • yes

    Votes: 14 87.5%

  • no

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Total voters
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JBoyette

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Ok, I got an idea, and I want to present it to you all to see if my idea is a good one or a bad one.

The minimum NC CCH Class is 8.5 hours long and the basic outline is as follows:
  • Legal Issues
  • Handgun Safety
  • Handguns
  • Marksmanship Fundamentals
  • Carrying Concealed Safety Issues
  • Presentation Techniques
  • Cleaning and Maintenance
  • Ammunition
  • Proficiency Drills
What if I offered a 5-hour Level 1 Self-Defense Handgun Course that covered
8 am to 1 pm 300 rounds of ammunition for $60.00 a person
  • Handgun Safety
  • Marksmanship Fundamentals
  • Presentation Techniques
  • Cleaning and Maintenance
  • Proficiency Drills
Then a 3.5 hours class on NC Handgun and Use of Force law
2 pm to 5:30 pm Classroom setting for $40.00
  • Legal Issues
  • Handguns
  • Carrying Concealed Safety Issues
  • Ammunition
If you took both classes on the same day the cost would be $85 and you get the CCH training cert

This would allow someone who had taken a CCH class back in 2010, for example, to pay $40 and get a refresher on NC Handgun and Use of Force law.

Let me know what you think!
 
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For someone who hasn’t taken the CCH course, would these two classes qualify them for getting their CHP?

The reason I ask is that if it did, I could see this being great for more experienced shooters to “tag along” with their significant others or friends looking to get their CHP.

I think a big deterrent for some, in getting their CHP, is being nervous about going to the class alone.
 
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I’m not sure I would sign up as I try to stay up to date on law changes on my own.

I think that the actual self defense handgun class would be a huge draw for new permit seekers.

Most of them are 8 hours of ass in seat and 30 minutes on the range (most spent waiting in line to shoot 21 rounds or so)
 
Dad said:
For someone who hasn’t taken the CCH course, would these two classes qualify them for getting their CHP?

The reason I ask is that if it did, I could see this being great for more experienced shooters to “tag along” with their significant others or friends looking to get their CHP.

I think a big deterrent for some, in getting their CHP, is being nervous about going to the class alone.
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Yes this would be my CCH structure
 
P01135809 said:
I’m not sure I would sign up as I try to stay up to date on law changes on my own.

I think that the actual self defense handgun class would be a huge draw for new permit seekers.

Most of them are 8 hours of ass in seat and 30 minutes on the range (most spent waiting in line to shoot 21 rounds or so)
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Correct and that's by the instructor chooses to do the easy part.

I am thinking of a more dynamic class (two parts)
 
I do not know who actually dislikes that 3.5 hours more … the students being legaled to sleep or the instructors having to quote it and also answer the “Well, if someone does this can I …” questions.

All joking aside, a legal refresh is a smart investment. The laws change … years back we had more venues open up (unless posted), we got the State of Emergency removed, we got being able to have a “properly stored” firearm on certain previously prohibited areas and a bunch of other legislative changes over the various revisions. I am sure I am out of date on a few things and really should do a refresher. The old saying ignorance of the law is no excuse applies big time when it comes to carrying a firearm.
 
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I’d take the first part every quarter and the legal refresher annually. I like shooting at the range but fun to get a different look at it with new people to.

Edit: except the “new” people that scare me handling a firearm.
 
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One other option is to reverse the hours. As a example

Saturday
8am to 1pm range
2pm to 5:30pm classroom

Sunday
8am to 11:30 classroom
12:30pm to 5:30pm range

This way for the CCH, one can mix and match and do AM only, or PM only, or Sat or Sun.

John
 
I like it, but as you increase instructor engagement with each student to make the first part better, don’t you need to reduce the class size? I’m thinking that the class would be much better than most of what’s offered today, so after the first few at “introductory pricing” maybe see if you’re able to increase the rate. Build the “not trying to be the cheapest, trying to be the best” brand, and then monetize that.

Also, if you can swing having one instructor to informally chat with the students about the wacky stuff that pops up during class while another is doing the one-on-one range time, the students will appreciate the resource and not having to listen to everyone else show off their ignorance during class.

BTW, if you’re thinking that a good experience in a basic class will lead to enrollment in future classes, I think you’re right.
 
GymB said:
I like it, but as you increase instructor engagement with each student to make the first part better, don’t you need to reduce the class size? I’m thinking that the class would be much better than most of what’s offered today, so after the first few at “introductory pricing” maybe see if you’re able to increase the rate. Build the “not trying to be the cheapest, trying to be the best” brand, and then monetize that.

Also, if you can swing having one instructor to informally chat with the students about the wacky stuff that pops up during class while another is doing the one-on-one range time, the students will appreciate the resource and not having to listen to everyone else show off their ignorance during class.

BTW, if you’re thinking that a good experience in a basic class will lead to enrollment in future classes, I think you’re right.
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There are techniques to use. Firing orders as a example, 12 students 3 on the line. (4 firing orders) It's a way to breakup the class.

Secondly, yes I could limit the range part to let's say 9 and the classroom to 20.

John
 
Not a bad idea
Up in MI the renewal process required people review gun laws for so many hours within the past X months. there was no legal requirement to do it in a paid class or any other specific ways, but a lot of instructors made bank doing "renewal classes" for people who didn't want to dig through laws.

Since we had a gun-group non-profit with a forum where there was discussion on upcoming and new laws, whenever somebody would ask us about what the requirement to review laws meant, we'd just tell them to join and read the forum forum, because they weren't likely to get a better discussion or education on the laws than they would with guys who spent all day doing it and being on the government's poop-list for it.
We also had zoom calls and meetings for the board that were open to the public. sometimes our lawyer was on the calls with us.
The laws up there have changed so fast under gov whitmer, i'd want to take some kind of class if i was renewing.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
Not a bad idea
Up in MI the renewal process required people review gun laws for so many hours within the past X months. there was no legal requirement to do it in a paid class or any other specific ways, but a lot of instructors made bank doing "renewal classes" for people who didn't want to dig through laws.

Since we had a gun-group non-profit with a forum where there was discussion on upcoming and new laws, whenever somebody would ask us about what the requirement to review laws meant, we'd just tell them to join and read the forum forum, because they weren't likely to get a better discussion or education on the laws than they would with guys who spent all day doing it and being on the government's poop-list for it.
We also had zoom calls and meetings for the board that were open to the public. sometimes our lawyer was on the calls with us.
The laws up there have changed so fast under gov whitmer, i'd want to take some kind of class if i was renewing.
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By law,
Not one part of the CCH class can be done online. Every part of a CCH has to be face to face.

You would think that would change but so far, nope. Lol

John
 
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JBoyette said:
By law,
Not one part of the CCH class can be done online. Every part of a CCH has to be face to face.

John
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oh, this wasn't for the initial license, only to satisfy "i have reviewed recent changes to the law" requirement for renewal.
Now if you wanna talk about "approved courses" for initial licenses, that's a whole different conversation, full of cronyism and campaign contribution.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
oh, this wasn't for the initial license, only to satisfy "i have reviewed recent changes to the law" requirement for renewal.
Now if you wanna talk about "approved courses" for initial licenses, that's a whole different conversation, full of cronyism and campaign contribution.
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Lol true
 
Walkabout Dan said:
No classes required. If you carry it’s your responsibility to know the law . Provide free books to all who want one like the hunting and fishing regulations.
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Unfortunately, we have lost the traditional path where father/grandfather taught and passed down the skills of safe gun handling and accurate shooting. People are not born with these skills and need to learn it from somewhere. Otherwise, they "wing it" or get it from media like TV or movies and put everyone else at risk. Much less develop usable skills. IMHO
 
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georgel said:
Unfortunately, we have lost the traditional path where father/grandfather taught and passed down the skills of safe gun handling and accurate shooting. People are not born with these skills and need to learn it from somewhere. Otherwise, they "wing it" or get it from media like TV or movies and put everyone else at risk. Much less develop usable skills. IMHO
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That also means starting KIDS out early. Those years as a kid under the guidance of our elders teach safety and skills but it also takes away the “mystique” of firearms and kinda sorta “gunproofed” kids like many of us were “waterproofed” around the beach, lake or even farm pond since most headed for the water to play. Life skills many of us were taught are lost in today’s parenting (let the schools, internet, friends/gangs, TV and such raise ‘em) ways. Problems in today do start in the home … or lack of home structure.
 
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NCFubar said:
That also means starting KIDS out early. Those years as a kid under the guidance of our elders teach safety and skills but it also takes away the “mystique” of firearms and kinda sorta “gunproofed” kids like many of us were “waterproofed” around the beach, lake or even farm pond since most headed for the water to play. Life skills many of us were taught are lost in today’s parenting (let the schools, internet, friends/gangs, TV and such raise ‘em) ways. Problems in today do start in the home … or lack of home structure.
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Also, government-mandated firearms safety.

I am not a SAM I am kind of guy, but I do see the impact of stopping the draft and its impact on our culture.

John
 
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Not only do I think it's a good idea, I know people looking to take a ccw class that would love that.
 
georgel said:
Unfortunately, we have lost the traditional path where father/grandfather taught and passed down the skills of safe gun handling and accurate shooting. People are not born with these skills and need to learn it from somewhere. Otherwise, they "wing it" or get it from media like TV or movies and put everyone else at risk. Much less develop usable skills. IMHO
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I remember the first time I shot a gun. It was a 20 ga shotgun. I was in middle school and spent the weekend at a friends house. We, me, my friend, his father, and his oldest sister each shot it once into a big old tree. The feel of the recoil is something I remember to this day. It was an adult and somber experience.

I also remember at 5th grade day camp, one event was shooting .22 rifles. The teachers made mention that because we were acting like adults they felt that we were capable of engaging in a more dangerous activity. I also remember everyone was very range cautious and took the study responsibly.
 
Ok second question for you all.

What is better:
2 nights - Tues & Wends 6pm to 10pm

Or

3 nights - Tues, Wends & Thurs 6pm to 9pm?

To attend the CCH class?
 
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