Here's a link to a article that may be worth your time to read. It does raise a few questions as well as provide answers to todays recent shootings and other violent acts; https://www.amgreatness.com/2019/08/06/igniting-civil-war/
America has crossed the threshold of revolution. While we have no way of knowing what lies ahead, we know that the spiral of political violence has already taken its first fateful turns, and that the logic of our partisan ruling class is pushing for more.
Let's see....
the winner would be the media and the .gov, and the losers would be the left and right.
There, settled.
This is our society as a whole now
Nope. Sorry
Its the perception of a story being told.
The really is what you experience.
Do not confuse a story with the truth.
Everyday the people i interact with do not believe or act in the way the national story is being told. This is because i do not filter my interactions with a lens.
We all meed to stop take a breath and observe what's happening, not what we are being told.
I quit watching the news over 2 years ago now. Of course i see it, passing by, tune in for 30mins a week or so just because. But thats it.
A civil war...... GTFOH. Show me a American that has experienced a civil war who wants one? Only the most self absorbed delusional person wants this. These people are the same people that form ISIS, IRA, KLA and other groups.
John
Show me a American that has experienced a civil war who wants one? Only the most self absorbed delusional person wants this. These people are the same people that form ISIS, IRA, KLA and other groups.
John,
Look, I get the idea that war, especially civil wars, are ugly, nasty things and am old enough to remember the race/campus/urban unrest in the 60's and early '70's. Obviously, I have never experienced one, but my father, who served in Korea and Vietnam fought in two of them. But I submit that a line from Star Trek is perennially true in regards to war: Curious how often you Humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
- I don't understand the point of your first question since, surely, what matters is the number of Americans who have not experienced a civil war, but want one (or would, like sheep, engage in one) that is relevant.
- What proportion of folks in this country would you attribute to being amongst the "self absorbed delusional" set? The people you interact with (as you quote) may be a small and non-representative faction. There is the aphorism of perception being nine-tenths of reality: sad, but perhaps true.
- Perhaps one should list Antifa and other domestic groups in your list?
There’s a difference between wanting it and fearing it’s what it’s going to take to put a stop to those that would happily declare you a felon and try to put you in an environment of total security (if you catch my meaning) simply for carrying that CZ Scorpion you’re fond of. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do everything in our power short of that, which many of us already do, even if it won’t work. For the sake of argument let’s say that conventional solutions won’t work and putting an end to the infringements - and a hell of a lot more than the 2nd is being infringed upon - is going to require either secession where we agree to split and those people have no more say over us, or war. I seriously doubt that if a region were to declare secession that the rest of the former nation would let them go without a violent fight because the root of the problem is desire for control over people, so there’s the start of your war. Option 2, lets even say that onerous gun restrictions are passed and people get off the couch and instead of walking into a Walmart and indiscriminately shooting instead target the political figures that are the problem. Of course that would result in a “law enforcement” response which would only cause an escalation of violence, likely leading to that civil war.Who ever wants that kind of world here in the US, is self absorbed and delusional.
As a simple example, in a civil war, no one has a safe place. No one, no matter all the survival blogs, news cycles, saved beans, stored rain water. None of that will prevent a enemy from smoking ones family.
John,
Look, I get the idea that war, especially civil wars, are ugly, nasty things and am old enough to remember the race/campus/urban unrest in the 60's and early '70's. Obviously, I have never experienced one, but my father, who served in Korea and Vietnam fought in two of them. But I submit that a line from Star Trek is perennially true in regards to war: Curious how often you Humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
- I don't understand the point of your first question since, surely, what matters is the number of Americans who have not experienced a civil war, but want one (or would, like sheep, engage in one) that is relevant.
- What proportion of folks in this country would you attribute to being amongst the "self absorbed delusional" set? The people you interact with (as you quote) may be a small and non-representative faction. There is the aphorism of perception being nine-tenths of reality: sad, but perhaps true.
- Perhaps one should list Antifa and other domestic groups in your list?
Maybe you misinterpreted my one line post. I said nothing about civil war or most of the other stuff in your response. My one liner meant that the media and gov plays folks against each other. I guess if I had spelled that out Maybe i wouldn’t get long replies telling me I’m completely wrong. But you know what they say about opinions.Nope. Sorry
Its the perception of a story being told.
The really is what you experience.
Do not confuse a story with the truth.
Everyday the people i interact with do not believe or act in a way thats "true" with this story.
We all meed to stop take a breath and observe what's happening, not what we are being told.
I quit watching the news over 2 years ago now. Of course i see it, passing by, tune in for 30mins a week or so just because. But thats it.
A civil war...... GTFOH. Show me a American that has experienced a civil war who wants one? Only the most self absorbed delusional person wants this. These people are the same people that form ISIS, IRA, KLA and other groups.
John
The sad part is, this has been happening for a long time...small bite by small bite.
No need to worry if they take our guns...New York has the finest police force in the world and they should protect everyone.
Hannity is a twit so try to get past him but pay attention to how smug and confident De Blasio is. We all better clear out a spare room for our personal cop but I guess that won't matter once they have taken/squandered all of our wealth to pay for the police state...we can sleep under a bridge with the homeless.
The civil war is already upon us but it isn't us doing the revolt.
No need to worry if they take our guns...New York has the finest police force in the world and they should protect everyone.
Hannity is a twit so try to get past him but pay attention to how smug and confident De Blasio is. We all better clear out a spare room for our personal cop but I guess that won't matter once they have taken/squandered all of our wealth to pay for the police state...we can sleep under a bridge with the homeless.
The civil war is already upon us but it isn't us doing the revolt.
This is true in almost every civil war. In 1768-1773, a very vocal minority set about having such conversations in taverns, in State house, in the streets. It turned into protests, then political violence.... whether it was tarring and feathering, showing up at an official's home en masse until he gave up his post, or shooting members of a Bostonian mob at a customs house. By late 1774 and into 1775, a rage militaire overtook both sides of the argument over the Rights of Englishmen in British North America, something both felt was inevitable, and something both sides were sure would be a short contest - that a decisive victory would end it, and their side emerge victorious. Yet by the late summer of 1776, the majority of the population simply wanted the war to go away.Great post.
The amount of people that are pro vs not is a small amount. Most are all hat, no cattle. These people fan the flames and have major influence over the very few of true believers. All of them from my view are part of a self absorbed delusional group that want to bring down the status quo that measures them and judges them.
Why else have a civil war? Why not work on the issues peacefully?
I relate these kind of posts about civil war to the idea of, if islam is a religion of peace, why don't the believers weed out the terrorist?
My calling the BS is my light way of weeding out the trash and instigators of our digital clan.
War, Being shipped to a country and fighting in a war is not the same as fighting among your home. I get it war is war, its not that simple.
As a simple example, in a civil war, no one has a safe place. No one, no matter all the survival blogs, news cycles, saved beans, stored rain water. None of that will prevent a enemy from smoking ones family.
Who ever wants that kind of world here in the US, is self absorbed and delusional.
One of the best movie quotes out there.This is true in almost every civil war. In 1768-1773, a very vocal minority set about having such conversations in taverns, in State house, in the streets. It turned into protests, then political violence.... whether it was tarring and feathering, showing up at an official's home en masse until he gave up his post, or shooting members of a Bostonian mob at a customs house. By late 1774 and into 1775, a rage militaire overtook both sides of the argument over there Rights of Englishmen in British North America, something both felt was inevitable, and something both sides were sure would be a short contest - that a decisive victory would end it, and their side emerge victorious. Yet by the late summer of 1776, the majority of the population simply wanted the war to go away.
Yet it raged on for 6 to 7 years. History is pretty clear - once violence on that scale gets let out of the cage, it simply doesn't peter out.
John, a person is rational. People are not. Your question can be asked of every war mankind has ever fought.
And yet, we remain a warlike species.
What does this actually mean?
Brother, we are not made of finer clay then any of the rest of humanity. Your responses to this particular question often come across as self-righteousness, that you're above such "foolishness," that you're the only adult in the room.
That's not the case.
Many here having feelings of unease about the likelihood of things going sideways have, in fact, seen war - to include the brutal civil/insurgency kind. In fact, for most veterans still of a fighting age, it's the only kind of war we know.
And yet man constantly finds himself in mortal struggles with other men, and it hasn't been that long ago since it was among homes in this country, historically speaking. People living now knew people who fought in that conflict.
Looking at war in general - it's always the few who incite the many to kill each other for grievances most of those fighting and dying don't have, for slights almost all those in combat didn't receive.
Again, singly, a person is rational. People are not.
I don't know anyone who wants to have a go like this. You have to be stupid, insane, or both to want it.
But accepting it, if you can, instead of passing it to your children?
Great post.
Why not work on the issues peacefully?
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