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Stand your ground law in California. At least the state has one good thing going for it.
 
pinkbunny said:
Do San Francisco gun laws still count when you're still in the bay, but untied from the docks?
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I am reliably informed that it's not gay if it's under way, and since this is San Franfabulous, I'd say no.
 
If anything they'll go after the boat owners, they have something to lose. The 'pirates' aren't worth the effort.

Doubt it? Look at what they did with graffiti, if your building is tagged and you don't clean it up fast enough they fine you, the victim. Can't be a stretch if someone steals/releases your boat and it ends up suck somewhere or washed up on a beach or burnt that they'll go after the owners to clean it up or be fined.

edit: lest anyone things I'm crazy graffiti fines
 
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In the bay the USCG can enforce federal laws and regulations. We can prosecute under the federal statute. That being said we will mostly turn them over to state officials and let them prosecute. The main reason we won't turn over to the locals is if the body of water is split between 2 states. And that is just to keep the from arguing over the perp.

I served in the USCG at station Carquinez at the end of my enlistment in San Pablo Bay. Just north of San Francisco Bay. The laws may have changed since I got out in 99 but that is how it was when I was there.

How's that @Alabamacoastie .
 
Jmoser said:
What jurisdiction applies if you are not tied up at the dock?
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NOAA says 3 nautical miles for most coastal states.
 
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I believe coastal states can claim up to 12 nautical miles as territorial waters
 
heavydoc said:
In the bay the USCG can enforce federal laws and regulations. We can prosecute under the federal statute. That being said we will mostly turn them over to state officials and let them prosecute. The main reason we won't turn over to the locals is if the body of water is split between 2 states. And that is just to keep the from arguing over the perp.

I served in the USCG at station Carquinez at the end of my enlistment in San Pablo Bay. Just north of San Francisco Bay. The laws may have changed since I got out in 99 but that is how it was when I was there.

How's that @Alabamacoastie .
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Totally agree. The USCG enforces federal law, not local law. But, the USCG would happily detain perps, call local leo, hand them over for local leo investigation, and write statements/ testify in court regarding what the uscg witnessed before the local LEOs showed up.

The USCG can also pursue a perp onto land and apprehend, in most cases, if the uscg personnel saw the perp commit a felony.
 
Alabamacoastie said:
Totally agree. The USCG enforces federal law, not local law. But, the USCG would happily detain perps, call local leo, hand them over for local leo investigation, and write statements/ testify in court regarding what the uscg witnessed before the local LEOs showed up.

The USCG can also pursue a perp onto land and apprehend, in most cases, if the uscg personnel saw the perp commit a felony.
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That would be great.... except this is California we're talking about. What's the chance that any of this would even make it to court?

They'll "arrest" and issue an appearance ticket. No one in the "legal" system will see the perp until the next appearance ticket issue
 
1075tech said:
That would be great.... except this is California we're talking about. What's the chance that any of this would even make it to court?

They'll "arrest" and issue an appearance ticket. No one in the "legal" system will see the perp until the next appearance ticket issue
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I know when I was the "arresting officer" I was able to use judgement on how i wanted to proceed. If it was drugs and a small amount " personal use" I would give the person(s) a chance to dump it overboard or go to jail, their choice. If it was more then personal use "possession with the intent to distribute " it was confiscate and jail. And either quantity was at my discretion. If a child was involved there were citations issues. EVERYTHING was up to officers discretion!
 
pinkbunny said:
Do San Francisco gun laws still count when you're still in the bay, but untied from the docks?
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Here's my best answer to your question...

If you are in your boat, floating in the bay, and you are boarded by San Fran cops, on their boat, then California gun laws still count. Your boat would probably count as an extention of your home and you could use deadly force to protect yourself, and others, from harm if someone tried to enter your boat and harm you. You would also be held to California law when it comes to magazine capacity (10), threaded barrels are illegal, assault weapons are illegal, etc...

If you are in your boat, floating in the bay, and you are boarded by USCG, then they would be looking to enforce federal laws: short barrel rifle, tax stamps, full auto, etc... They wouldn't necessarily be looking for high capacity mags, threaded barrels, etc like the local LEOs would be. However, like @heavydoc said, the USCG boarding officer would be well within regulations to detain you and call local LEO to come and investigate your vessel for possible state level criminal activity. And, that all comes down to "officer's discretion". Nine times out of ten, if you are being cool the USCG boarding officer is going to be cool. The same cannot be said of the local LEOs that you might run into...

And, as @1075tech said, the LEOs and USCG can only do so much. Once the bad guys are under arrest it's up to the district attorney and judicial system to do their part and actually try/ prosecute the scum in criminal court...
 
Alabamacoastie said:
Here's my best answer to your question...

If you are in your boat, floating in the bay, and you are boarded by San Fran cops, on their boat, then California gun laws still count. Your boat would probably count as an extention of your home and you could use deadly force to protect yourself, and others, from harm if someone tried to enter your boat and harm you. You would also be held to California law when it comes to magazine capacity (10), threaded barrels are illegal, assault weapons are illegal, etc...

If you are in your boat, floating in the bay, and you are boarded by USCG, then they would be looking to enforce federal laws: short barrel rifle, tax stamps, full auto, etc... They wouldn't necessarily be looking for high capacity mags, threaded barrels, etc like the local LEOs would be. However, like @heavydoc said, the USCG boarding officer would be well within regulations to detain you and call local LEO to come and investigate your vessel for possible state level criminal activity. And, that all comes down to "officer's discretion". Nine times out of ten, if you are being cool the USCG boarding officer is going to be cool. The same cannot be said of the local LEOs that you might run into...

And, as @1075tech said, the LEOs and USCG can only do so much. Once the bad guys are under arrest it's up to the district attorney and judicial system to do their part and actually try/ prosecute the scum in criminal court...
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‘Once the bad guys are under arrest it's up to the district attorney and judicial system to neglect their duty and refuse to prosecute the scum in criminal court...‘

FYFY in CA
 
Alabamacoastie said:
Here's my best answer to your question...

If you are in your boat, floating in the bay, and you are boarded by San Fran cops, on their boat, then California gun laws still count. Your boat would probably count as an extention of your home and you could use deadly force to protect yourself, and others, from harm if someone tried to enter your boat and harm you. You would also be held to California law when it comes to magazine capacity (10), threaded barrels are illegal, assault weapons are illegal, etc...

If you are in your boat, floating in the bay, and you are boarded by USCG, then they would be looking to enforce federal laws: short barrel rifle, tax stamps, full auto, etc... They wouldn't necessarily be looking for high capacity mags, threaded barrels, etc like the local LEOs would be. However, like @heavydoc said, the USCG boarding officer would be well within regulations to detain you and call local LEO to come and investigate your vessel for possible state level criminal activity. And, that all comes down to "officer's discretion". Nine times out of ten, if you are being cool the USCG boarding officer is going to be cool. The same cannot be said of the local LEOs that you might run into...

And, as @1075tech said, the LEOs and USCG can only do so much. Once the bad guys are under arrest it's up to the district attorney and judicial system to do their part and actually try/ prosecute the scum in criminal court...
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That's what the crabs are for. Better than pigs, I hear...
 
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