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PSA - Wake Co. Range to close to public 1/15/20

Discussion in 'Firearms News and Views' started by Miss Lily, Dec 17, 2019.

  1. Tigard

    Tigard Afternoon Farmer

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    Our own Miss Lily can be seen between 2:16 and 2:20 in the above video.
     
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    Scsmith42 Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    I was the speaker after Tom. My perspective was about the number of CCW holders in NC and the fact that closing the facility to the public would cause practice rates to go down.
     
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    Pink_Vapor Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    You did an excellent job, along with your conduct the entire time sitting front and center while everyone else was speaking. I didn't mention you because I would recognize you in public from your posted pictures with the crane, and your business website.
    After y'all spoke I was glad I didn't have to follow you.
     
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    Scsmith42 Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    Thanks for the kind words! Where do I send the check?! :D
     
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    Scsmith42 Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    zuerjoha I *really* like Glock 19s

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    I recognized you from when I attended the action pistol matches years ago. Always nice to put a face to a username. :)
     
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  8. MostWanted

    MostWanted I used to be JustInCase

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    The CBS 17 article gives some previously unreported bits of info:
    1. Chairman Ford's comment that leaves no doubt where he stands: "Law-abiding gun owners have the right, and should have the right, to practice their skills, work on certification, and personal safety issues in a safe controlled environment...That’s why that center was built, and that’s why I want to keep it open for them.”
    2. First time I've seen this: "...the county will have to ask for new bids. The bidding process could take upwards of a month, which Ford said could lead to the range closing for a short period." (I had hoped they would say that they could do a short-term "emergency" type contract with RSM that kept the range open during the bidding process.)
     
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  9. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Won't they then also have to figure out how to pay for the contract? If the old money was coming from the sheriff's budget (which presumably comes from the state) will they just remove that money from his budget and allocate it to cover the new contract?
     
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    dmarbell Sensei of Humor Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    I've made a public records request to see P&L format information for the Center. I don't know if that information will include the source of the funds for the Center. I looked over the budget and detailed financial information for year ended June 30, 2019 and the Center is not a detailed line item. Let's see what I get from the County.
     
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    dmarbell Sensei of Humor Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    By the way, if I suddenly quit posting contact Sheriff Gerald Baker in the Wake County Sheriff's Office, or Hillary Clinton, care of US Department of State.
     
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    Just heard on WRAL that there is a meeting today at 2pm to decide future of the range.
     
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    Scsmith42 Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    There is no public input allowed at today's working session. Several of the speakers from last Monday's meeting will be there to observe.
     
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    I hope somebody records it on their phone.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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  15. Miss Lily

    Miss Lily Moderator-Mom-Instructor Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    I won't be able to attend today's session but, will be watching the live stream.

    ETA: The video from today's session will be available this evening here.
     
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    Was there any outcome to note?
     
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    MostWanted I used to be JustInCase

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    The video has not yet been posted, but Channel 11 has their version of the truth on their web site. The reporter was our buddy DeJuan Hoggard who did the hatchet piece on our member, Carolina Smoke and Guns. And it's his usual quality, full of bias, misleading, inaccuracy and just plain ignorance. In the morning the N&O will probably have a piece that's actually useful.

    However, it does appear that they are considering bringing in the Wildlife Resources Commission to run the public access.
     
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    I’m skeptical of anyone with a faux French name like DeJuan, SheNique, or Mao, Stalin, etc, etc.
     
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  20. Miss Lily

    Miss Lily Moderator-Mom-Instructor Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

    This is pure conjecture (and I am a bit bitter about losing my job) but, will NCWC provide the same services that were previously offered at the facility? Training courses, leagues, competitions, target/ammo sales or equipment rentals for example. Do they have the resources to provide these? And they are going to do this for free?
     
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  21. concepthomes1

    concepthomes1 When do we start? Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    With your history and experience at this particular range, would you consider applying with the WRC to fill one of their staff positions at this range, if they do end up taking over management?
     
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    Miss Lily Moderator-Mom-Instructor Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    It is a possibility, however, I do know what they pay RO's at the other ranges they manage. I'd be better off as a greeter at Walmart.

    And, again conjecture, it felt as if the county wanted all vestiges of the past gone, including staff.
     
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    JimB Picking it up slowly. Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    I’ve been half following this, is the conjecture that Wildlife would staff and manage the range, or that they would manage the contract for the firm that manages the range?

    Miss Lily, you may have useful information related to the facility for a bidder for the contract, or perhaps you want to put together a firm to bid on the contract? Lots of regulatory compliance I’m sure, so your best bet may be to pick a horse now and try to ride it to a new job.
     
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  24. Bullseye Baldee

    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    I dont feel like getting guns pointed at me for little pay. Most ranges just want a body in there. Care little about safety for the RSOs. Love meeting people that are true shooters. Dont care for the bucket list people. Too dangerous!
     
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    JT "Going down, going down now ..." Benefactor Life Member Supporting Member

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    And very well done, @Miss Lily !
     
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    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    It was closed because it was losing money....aka king Baker. Now they are talking about public using it for free???
     
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    I dont know how they were "losing" money. I do know that when the range was first opened, the organization that was running it was making a tidy profit. How long has the range been open? My bad for not ever getting out there to check it out especially now that I'm shooting score benchrest. Long way from my house and their "open to the public" hours did not fit my schedule.
     
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    Tigard Afternoon Farmer

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    From WakeRange.com:

    1/15/20 – FINAL UPDATE – Where do we go from here?

    Sometime today, RSM senior management will head over to the range one last time to pick up the paperwork and odds and ends that constitute the company’s property remaining at the FETC. I would imagine that the flood of memories and the awkward glances from WCSO staff you used to consider friends will make it uncomfortable for the fellas – this is not how they deserved to go out. Just shameful.

    If you watched the video from Monday’s work group you know that there are still many questions left unanswered. It will be interesting and instructive to keep an eye on doings at the WCFETC to see how it all eventually shakes out. Will they, in fact, continue to offer public access to the range or will Sheriff Baker get his dream of an LETC free from the vermin of the public (BTW, aren’t LEO’s citizens just like non-LEO’s?). If public hours are offered, will there be more than the 20 hours a week offered by RSM or fewer? [ED: My personal opinion – there WILL be public hours. There will be four of them between 8am and noon on Sundays, twice a month] Does my range card still get me in or do I need to pass another orientation to use the range? Do the annual members get a discount or refund? Any updates on that $100,000 Feasibility Study? And of course, how will the range become MORE profitable if you’re running it FREE to the public?

    We here at WakeRange.com will be stepping back from the daily monitoring of the situation but we’ll not step down. 8500 people signed Mark Valetta’s petition, WakeRange.com has been accessed 2000 times, 300-ish people actually showed up for the Commission meeting on the 6th – that’s a lot of folks with a passion for keeping the range accessible and safe for the shooters of Wake County. That’s also a lot of eyes and ears that can watch and listen for updates on circumstances at the Wake County Firearms Education and Training Center. Over the next several weeks and months if you see or hear of any developments please ping a quick email to ProfoundMan@Gmail.com or tweet to @TheProfounds . We’ll continue to update this site as a resource for all concerned. Also, we’ve listed the email addresses of each of the County Commissioners on the website for your convenience. It seems important that they be kept informed of the consequences of their actions as time goes by.

    It has been a true pleasure and honor serving as your RO’s, Instructors and friends over these many years. The warm memories will be with us always.



     
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    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    To all my friends that I have made there! May we meet up again somewhere!!!
     
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    MostWanted I used to be JustInCase

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    This was in the newspaper today, and is probably the most troubling thing I've read from any Commissioner:

    "Wake County Commissioner Vice Chair Vickie Adamson said she spent a lot of time learning about the center. She said there are many government facilities that are taxpayer funded without being accessible to the public."

    I think it's time to give her some special attention.
     
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    It would appear someone needs to remind her why the range was built in the first place and that with the population increases since that time there is a greater need for the facility to remain open for the public.
     
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    Does anyone know if Pittman-Robertson funds were used to build the range? (Excise tax on guns and ammo, for ranges, wildlife projects). If the WRC will be involved they should be able to get grants for improvements for Public Use with P-R funds.
     
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