Random work thought...

Our turnover was significant once a benchmark project wrapped up, and that was the swan song for a few folks that were holding off for retirement. There's basically a huge gap between the company "lifers" at 25+ years and those who have 15 ish years experience. Those in that 15 ish year range are few and far between, and then everyone else is entry level. I still feel like a noob, yet I'm going on 16 years with the company (albeit with various names due to acquisitions) come July.
 
Smallish site (16 employees) but we are one of many affiliates of our mother ship. Out of 16, 4 of us are pensioners with 25+ years each. Everyone else have 5 years or less.
 
I feel that. I've been at my job for 10 years. I started on the company's 10yr anniversary. My employee number is 350. Meaning I was the 350th person hired. Now 10 years later we are at employee number 800 something. The people that have been there longer than me is about 4 people, not counting the owners and the GM. We only have about 80-90 employees
 
I train the new hires where I work. There are only a small handful out of 65 people who have been in my office longer than me. The boss is still older than me though, even though I've been working here longer than him.

We have a really high turnover rate and we don't really hire fast enough to compensate.
 
I'd be interested to see other thoughts/theories, to me all of this seems like a symptom of corporate company views on employees changing over the years. It seems more and more like an employee is just a 'widget generator' unless you're in the c-suite and that reflects with those employees jumping ship to whichever location is gonna pay them the most for their 'widget generation'. I'm sure the rise of remote work has contributed in some way, people are more inclined to leave coworkers hanging, vs people they may call friends.
 
I'll also add that turnover in my company is really dependent on business area. Some of the R&D types tend to stick around longer because they're the industry expert in a given widget/product line. Same for the more niche engineering areas. However, turnover tends to be much higher in areas like supply chain, project management, and more common engineering areas (civil/structural, mechanical), where the skills are less specialized and its easier to bounce elsewhere to make a quick buck. In turn, they try to hire fewer number crunchers and draftsmen and outsource that type of work to India.
 
I'll also add that turnover in my company is really dependent on business area. Some of the R&D types tend to stick around longer because they're the industry expert in a given widget/product line. Same for the more niche engineering areas. However, turnover tends to be much higher in areas like supply chain, project management, and more common engineering areas (civil/structural, mechanical), where the skills are less specialized and its easier to bounce elsewhere to make a quick buck. In turn, they try to hire fewer number crunchers and draftsmen and outsource that type of work to India.

LOL

Every time a company I worked at tried that crap, it make for more work and OT for the people here in the States.
 
I'd be interested to see other thoughts/theories, to me all of this seems like a symptom of corporate company views on employees changing over the years. It seems more and more like an employee is just a 'widget generator' unless you're in the c-suite and that reflects with those employees jumping ship to whichever location is gonna pay them the most for their 'widget generation'. I'm sure the rise of remote work has contributed in some way, people are more inclined to leave coworkers hanging, vs people they may call friends.

I work in/for a hospital, so it's a bit different. Our department is Clinical Education and Professional Development, so we touch just about everyone at some point, but it is exceedingly clinical folks. Bedside can't work remotely; however, we do have jobs where some clinicians can. Nurses are our 'widget generator' and 22% of new graduate nurses leave within 3 years of hire (18% leave within 1 year).

I train the new hires where I work. There are only a small handful out of 65 people who have been in my office longer than me. The boss is still older than me though, even though I've been working here longer than him.

We have a really high turnover rate and we don't really hire fast enough to compensate.

My department is training/education, really broken into three parts: mine, folks who teach electronic medical record education, and accreditation/research, who make sure everything we do is on the up-and-up with all sorts of regulatory agencies, Those last two, they are located elsewhere and I know very few of them.
 
I work in/for a hospital, so it's a bit different. Our department is Clinical Education and Professional Development, so we touch just about everyone at some point, but it is exceedingly clinical folks. Bedside can't work remotely; however, we do have jobs where some clinicians can. Nurses are our 'widget generator' and 22% of new graduate nurses leave within 3 years of hire (18% leave within 1 year).



My department is training/education, really broken into three parts: mine, folks who teach electronic medical record education, and accreditation/research, who make sure everything we do is on the up-and-up with all sorts of regulatory agencies, Those last two, they are located elsewhere and I know very few of them.
I would definitely put hospitals in a different bracket. My girlfriend (nurse) does have about the same problem with the new grads around her though.
I was attempting to point at corporate jobs as a whole rather than your situation specifically, which I clearly didn't convey after re-reading.
 
I would definitely put hospitals in a different bracket. My girlfriend (nurse) does have about the same problem with the new grads around her though.
I was attempting to point at corporate jobs as a whole rather than your situation specifically, which I clearly didn't convey after re-reading.

No worries. Different, but some similarities.
 
I work on industrial presses and am 38. The next youngest is 57. It scares me that so few people are in the technical field service wise in this industry. Was in GA for some training and met a few guys near my age but a huge gap in age to next seniority. That is a lot of knowledge loss.
 
I work on industrial presses and am 38. The next youngest is 57. It scares me that so few people are in the technical field service wise in this industry. Was in GA for some training and met a few guys near my age but a huge gap in age to next seniority. That is a lot of knowledge loss.

When I started in the ICU the average experience of a RN was 10 years; in the ED, 12 years. Now, 18 months in each area. That's scary. Those nurses know nothing.
 
When I started in the ICU the average experience of a RN was 10 years; in the ED, 12 years. Now, 18 months in each area. That's scary. Those nurses know nothing.
Man I wish I didn't read that...lol.
In my field it's the practical application to engineering that is what make ya worth your salt. I can imagine the same translates to yours. That is really scary, I don't wanna be a learning curve.....😬
 
Already attempting. We are using Microsoft hololenses as a troubleshooting tool. Augmented reality so we can see what the press operators see and attempt to work through them.....it's been met with some very mixed thoughts.
Face it: AI is only as good as the historical input. Bad input, bad results.
Good luck with 100% correct. There will always be some correlation with human thought.
Sorry AI, you aren't all knowing. 🤦‍♂️
 
That's the truth. I keep telling management that me being able to see a d try to instruct so.eone doesn't replace aptitude and ability.
 
Corporate can't figure out why our incident rates are so high. So, one of our guys did an analysis. 65% of our incidents occur with employees with 0-2 years on the job. 75% of our field employees have less than 5 years.

We continue to give bonuses and incentives to tenured employees to leave early. 🙄

This is an industry that requires hands-on experience to learn. Classes and teaching can give some of the basic information, but it's the real life application that really tests those theories. I've only been in it for 20 years and there's a lot I've never seen personally. On the other hand, I've seen and done things that employees now likely never will.
 
Man I wish I didn't read that...lol.
In my field it's the practical application to engineering that is what make ya worth your salt. I can imagine the same translates to yours. That is really scary, I don't wanna be a learning curve.....😬

You can't teach experience. It's pretty bad for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is patient safety.
 
four friends just got laid off in IBM's latest cuts.
all were +25 years with IBM and were retiring soon, anyway.
with the layoff, they got good severance in addition to what was due them.

IBM is not lying...INTERNATIONAL business machines corp.
apparently, they are going AI similar to when they off-shored in 2004.
maybe they will change their name to AIBM.
 
Turnover in banking is usually pretty high, but thats primarily the "line folks" like customer service and branch stuff. My team has had no turnover in 9 years...and have only added folks. But thats because my manager is awesome.
 
In just under a decade at my job, I couldnt tell you how many teachers Ive seen come and go. Then there's the other staff like the office, library, guidance etc
Some coworkers were only one semester.
 
I work in/for a hospital, so it's a bit different. Our department is Clinical Education and Professional Development, so we touch just about everyone at some point, but it is exceedingly clinical folks. Bedside can't work remotely; however, we do have jobs where some clinicians can. Nurses are our 'widget generator' and 22% of new graduate nurses leave within 3 years of hire (18% leave within 1 year).



My department is training/education, really broken into three parts: mine, folks who teach electronic medical record education, and accreditation/research, who make sure everything we do is on the up-and-up with all sorts of regulatory agencies, Those last two, they are located elsewhere and I know very few of them.
TL/DR: No more pensions so people are job hopping to go where the money is. The medical field is similar to the IT field in that respect.


This thread is similar to @chiefjason thread "Corporate loyalty to employees is dead, if it ever existed" here: https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...if-it-ever-existed.160954/page-2#post-2593291

Just my opinions. Could be right. Could be wrong. Could be a mix of both.

The entity I work for stopped pension plans for new hires on January 1, 2010. Anyone hired on or after that date does not get a pension. This is not unique to my employer. Nearly all corporations/companies have done away with pensions. Some government jobs still have them but, for the most part, pensions are gone. That leaves benefits and pay. Every medical entity around will say "We offer excellent benefits" or some verbiage along those lines on their website. With all of them offering "excellent benefits" that leaves pay. Guess where most people will go? Whomever pays more.

I work full time for Entity A. I've been there since 1996. I've been prn at Entity B since 2004. Whenever one does something, it's usually not too long before the other one does it. Entity B had market adjustment/pay evaluations a few weeks ago and gave most everyone doing bedside a raise, but not everyone (I personally know of one nurse who has been there 32 years. She got 16 cents! She was told she was at top pay already). Guess what entity A has started doing the last week? Yep, market adjustment/pay evaluations. These adjustments are great for new hires fresh out of school. Not so much for people who have been their for years. They are trying to get new nurses/NAs to come on board by increasing pay. I get it. It's a business. They need help. Everyone is short staffed. Entity B offers $20,000 and $30,000 sign on bonuses for 3 and 4 year commitments. The downside I see is that people who have been their for years get very little "adjustments." The prn rate for RNs at Entity B WAS $1 LESS and hour that what they start recent graduates RNs out now. With the market adjustment PRN rate went up. Of course I am thankful for the increase, but I also have the suspicion Entity B knew it HAD to increase it to keep prn employees from leaving.

What I see happening? As I mentioned there is no more pensions. The seasoned staff (the ones who have been there a while but not long enough to get the pension) are going where the money is. They are leaving and driving down the road a few miles for $2-$4 more an hour. A lot of them went to traveling. It was paying big money during Covid. It still is. I have heard that both entities that I work for want to "do away" with travelers. I don't see how they can, at least for the immediate future, since they are already short-staffed. The recent graduates that are being hired? I believe they will stay for 2-3 years to get their Med-Surg experience and then leave for more money. They will leave Entity B and go to Entity C, etc. The cycle will repeat.

No more pensions, so now what? 401k (or some variant). I've read about TINA on one financial website. There Is No Alternative (TINA). I have been trying to stress to my oldest to invest early and invest often in the S&P 500/Total Stock Market. I wish I had started sooner and contributed more. A debate on the pros and cons of the stock market is better left to @tanstaafl72555 But I read on the Bogle forum something that made sense (to me at least). If the top 500 companies in the stock market are having major issues then we have bigger problems to worry about (think depression, etc).

 
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Entity B offers $20,000 and $30,000 sign on bonuses for 3 and 4 year commitments. The downside I see is that people who have been their for years get very little "adjustments."

Where I work they just gave the newest hires a $30,000 signing bonus. I've been there 15 years, I got a lapel pin and a certificate in a plastic frame.
 
Where I work they just gave the newest hires a $30,000 signing bonus. I've been there 15 years, I got a lapel pin and a certificate in a plastic frame.
Did they give you an excuse as to why you got a $1 lapel pin and others got $30k? I think my full time job knows us pensioners aren’t going anywhere so we get overlooked.
 
Did they give you an excuse as to why you got a $1 lapel pin and others got $30k? I think my full time job knows us pensioners aren’t going anywhere so we get overlooked.

Since I'm a government employee everyone is free to acknowledge how unfair it is but claim they can't do anything about it.

The bosses know retention is a huge problem and they have been hammering away trying to get everyone a 10% retention bonus for over a year. It's nowhere near the $30K the new people get, but it also comes with no contract commitment. It's just pro-rated into each paycheck so if you quit you don't get the entire bonus. All just a nice idea at this point since it hasn't happened yet.
 
TL/DR: No more pensions so people are job hopping to go where the money is. The medical field is similar to the IT field in that respect.


This thread is similar to @chiefjason thread "Corporate loyalty to employees is dead, if it ever existed" here: https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...if-it-ever-existed.160954/page-2#post-2593291

Just my opinions. Could be right. Could be wrong. Could be a mix of both.

The entity I work for stopped pension plans for new hires on January 1, 2010. Anyone hired on or after that date does not get a pension. This is not unique to my employer. Nearly all corporations/companies have done away with pensions. Some government jobs still have them but, for the most part, pensions are gone. That leaves benefits and pay. Every medical entity around will say "We offer excellent benefits" or some verbiage along those lines on their website. With all of them offering "excellent benefits" that leaves pay. Guess where most people will go? Whomever pays more.

I work full time for Entity A. I've been there since 1996. I've been prn at Entity B since 2004. Whenever one does something, it's usually not too long before the other one does it. Entity B had market adjustment/pay evaluations a few weeks ago and gave most everyone doing bedside a raise, but not everyone (I personally know of one nurse who has been there 32 years. She got 16 cents! She was told she was at top pay already). Guess what entity A has started doing the last week? Yep, market adjustment/pay evaluations. These adjustments are great for new hires fresh out of school. Not so much for people who have been their for years. They are trying to get new nurses/NAs to come on board by increasing pay. I get it. It's a business. They need help. Everyone is short staffed. Entity B offers $20,000 and $30,000 sign on bonuses for 3 and 4 year commitments. The downside I see is that people who have been their for years get very little "adjustments." The prn rate for RNs at Entity B WAS $1 LESS and hour that what they start recent graduates RNs out now. With the market adjustment PRN rate went up. Of course I am thankful for the increase, but I also have the suspicion Entity B knew it HAD to increase it to keep prn employees from leaving.

What I see happening? As I mentioned there is no more pensions. The seasoned staff (the ones who have been there a while but not long enough to get the pension) are going where the money is. They are leaving and driving down the road a few miles for $2-$4 more an hour. A lot of them went to traveling. It was paying big money during Covid. It still is. I have heard that both entities that I work for want to "do away" with travelers. I don't see how they can, at least for the immediate future, since they are already short-staffed. The recent graduates that are being hired? I believe they will stay for 2-3 years to get their Med-Surg experience and then leave for more money. They will leave Entity B and go to Entity C, etc. The cycle will repeat.

No more pensions, so now what? 401k (or some variant). I've read about TINA on one financial website. There Is No Alternative (TINA). I have been trying to stress to my oldest to invest early and invest often in the S&P 500/Total Stock Market. I wish I had started sooner and contributed more. A debate on the pros and cons of the stock market is better left to @tanstaafl72555 But I read on the Bogle forum something that made sense (to me at least). If the top 500 companies in the stock market are having major issues then we have bigger problems to worry about (think depression, etc).


22 year-olds don't want pensions, they want the most $ at this moment, and given that there is nursing shortage, they can afford to shop around.
 
22 year-olds don't want pensions, they want the most $ at this moment, and given that there is nursing shortage, they can afford to shop around.
Yes they can but there is nothing to keep 32 or 42 year olds at a company either. My point is companies use to have incentives or a reason for someone to stay with them for more than 2 years. Not anymore. They now go where the money is. The job market is like the cell phone/internet/cable companies. The new people get the incentives and good deals. Long time customers don’t.
 
25 yrs at my NCSU department, about 30 folks there, most of them 20+ years, I got RIF'd and used accumulated sick time to buy months of service, my manager just retired with 30, my original manager she retired with 40 years. We don't get much turnover, we do specialized software and computing services for dairy farms worldwide. Programmers aka developers 5 -10 years then they move on. 25 yrs at Home Depot PT, I'm FT now.
I had a nice setup, leave HD then 15min drive to off NCSU campus office where we had our data center. I was like the Maytag man.
 
Yes they can but there is nothing to keep 32 or 42 year olds at a company either. My point is companies use to have incentives or a reason for someone to stay with them for more than 2 years. Not anymore. They now go where the money is. The job market is like the cell phone/internet/cable companies. The new people get the incentives and good deals. Long time customers don’t.
Yep (unfortunately). Unless you're tied to specific benefits at your job or wrangled a dream pension provide, the best career move for most money/401k is to keep job hoping every 2 years and enjoy the 10-30k bump. Employees would stay put forever if they were rewarded.
 
The company I work for has three offices in NC and the only person that has been there longer than me is my manager. I’ve been there eight years, I think he’s working on ten. I have thought about leaving a few times but it never worked out for it to be worth it for me.
 
Yes they can but there is nothing to keep 32 or 42 year olds at a company either. My point is companies use to have incentives or a reason for someone to stay with them for more than 2 years. Not anymore. They now go where the money is. The job market is like the cell phone/internet/cable companies. The new people get the incentives and good deals. Long time customers don’t.

Salaried have golden handcuffs, we have a very good retirement and health plan. But our organization put all its eggs for compensation in the 0-3 year RN, and the rate of wage growth for 10+ has essentially stalled.
 
My employer has something like 3000 employees. I was hired 12 years ago in the mid 12,000s number wise, they're in the 16,000s now.
 
2 owners, 5 employees, I came in 5.5 years ago as 231, my assistant is 247.

My FIL worked for the same company the day he turned 18 until the day he retired with a pension a few years ago.

The workforce is a wild, weird, and dreadful place these days.
 
We are losing folks every year to retirement or death. When I started here I was one of the youngest in my department by several years. Of those original employees (about 14 or so) there will be only two of us left at the end of May. I am not the lead for our office and have no desire to be. At this point I just want to go fishing, hunt, cook, watch birds and walk in the woods.
 
I was working with one of our new people last night before she moves on to the next level of her training.
It was immediately clear to me that her trainers approved her for independent function before she had seen a fraction of what she needs to know.
She said i made her nervous by asking if she knew how to do things, and she felt dumb when she didn't.
that's not my fault, and i told her it wasn't entirely hers either.

I told her i was assessing the training she got as much as i was assessing and helping her, because in a couple weeks she'll likely be one of the only people working, and she'll be working with people newer than her.
I explained that i've been doing this job for 6 years and I know where people will fail her long before she'll figure it out, and i'm trying to keep that from happening. Once it does, she'll quit because she won't like the stress level or the expectation that on her own she 100% knows how to do what was only explained to her once. I've seen a LOT of people come and go, usually for that reason. I was able to name specific examples of things she's probably already been told by her seniors, even though i have not been watching her.

there are bigger problems though, and i have no control over most of them.
 
There are ~750 folk that work with company where I work. I am in my mid 50’s, have been here 28 years train new technicians, and customers. Over 50% of our ~ 560 techs have not been here 2 years. It’s a helluva struggle to keep employees, the quality standards and culture with so many young newbs.
 
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