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This is a wonderful video. It is so encouraging. It is why, even when faced with the ghastly results of man's lust for power and manipulation and stealing wealth to end in war, murder, and famine.... it is hard NOT to stop and say "the future looks more bright than tinged with death." Lots of ugly stuff on the horizon for sure, and lots of historical reasons to be gloomy, but when you look at the amazing progress humanity has made just in the last 250 years or so, I can at least say "well, maybe there is some hope here."
 
It seems like the media seems to focus on scandal, depressing events, and all the bad. I suppose those get more ratings. We have come to expect it with regard to news. Fires, famine, shootings, etc. This is a cool video that shows some constructive stuff happening.

Related to desertification, I'm of the opinion that it is best never to loose our topsoil through foolish practices and try to never loose arable land to dessert in the first place. Since 1600's we have lost between 30 and 35% of our topsoil in the cornbelt. Its way more difficult to start with nothing than with something.
 
That’s like the video showing Mother Nature repairing herself in Yellowstone after wolves were reintroduced there. Of course the wolves were killed from there by us.
 
chiefjason said:
The Sahara was not initially a desert. It was mostly, if not completely, forested up to about 12k years ago. Most likely a catastrophic flood destroyed the area and deposited enough salt water to keep things from growing back.
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Thank you Henry Morris ;)
 
chiefjason said:
The Sahara was not initially a desert. It was mostly, if not completely, forested up to about 12k years ago. Most likely a catastrophic flood destroyed the area and deposited enough salt water to keep things from growing back.
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The winds changed and all the rain dried up. It was a grassland as little as 6000 years ago.

Sahara
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Thank you Henry Morris ;)
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I had to look him up. WAY wrong direction on that one Tans. They guys talking about that flood event generally believe in an incredibly old earth that has built and been destroyed multiple times. Destruction so catastrophic that it wipes history clean. There are several know instances of that happening to civilizations and a lot of hypothesized times people think it has happened. There is water striation and salt deposits in Central African deserts. And at least one of them thinks Atlantis was not only real, but in Saharan Africa with coastal access via waterways that have since been destroyed. And to be honest, they seem to have as much good info as anyone else. Another theory is that the Egyptian structures mostly predate what we think of Egyptians buy thousands of years. That the people we call Egyptians inherited the structures. And they have some pretty interesting reasons to think that as well.

More Graham Hancock than Morris. Right or wrong, it's some interesting stuff.
 
chiefjason said:
I had to look him up. WAY wrong direction on that one Tans. They guys talking about that flood event generally believe in an incredibly old earth that has built and been destroyed multiple times. Destruction so catastrophic that it wipes history clean. There are several know instances of that happening to civilizations and a lot of hypothesized times people think it has happened. There is water striation and salt deposits in Central African deserts. And at least one of them thinks Atlantis was not only real, but in Saharan Africa with coastal access via waterways that have since been destroyed. And to be honest, they seem to have as much good info as anyone else. Another theory is that the Egyptian structures mostly predate what we think of Egyptians buy thousands of years. That the people we call Egyptians inherited the structures. And they have some pretty interesting reasons to think that as well.

More Graham Hancock than Morris. Right or wrong, it's some interesting stuff.
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The catastrophic flood they talk about during the Younger Dryas wouldn't leave much behind - other than enormous megalithic structures.

Absolutely NOTHING points to the Egyptians as being the builders of the Egyptian pyramids. Nah. Thing.

And that doesn't account for the hundreds of other pyramids scattered across the globe.
 
chiefjason said:
I had to look him up. WAY wrong direction on that one Tans. They guys talking about that flood event generally believe in an incredibly old earth that has built and been destroyed multiple times. Destruction so catastrophic that it wipes history clean. There are several know instances of that happening to civilizations and a lot of hypothesized times people think it has happened. There is water striation and salt deposits in Central African deserts. And at least one of them thinks Atlantis was not only real, but in Saharan Africa with coastal access via waterways that have since been destroyed. And to be honest, they seem to have as much good info as anyone else. Another theory is that the Egyptian structures mostly predate what we think of Egyptians buy thousands of years. That the people we call Egyptians inherited the structures. And they have some pretty interesting reasons to think that as well.

More Graham Hancock than Morris. Right or wrong, it's some interesting stuff.
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All this (and I am an agnostic on Whitcomb and Morris and the YEC guys) just shows me that the more you learn, the less you realize you actually know about origins. There is room for a great deal more speculation about the geology of ancient times than we think. I am really quite surprised to realize how shallow the thinking is on the side of the "uniformity" crowd. You may as well just have written a new bible and named it Principles of Geology (Charles Lyell). I have seen religious fanatics with less commitment to their "orthodoxy" (and more empirical evidence!) than there is among some modern advocates of steady state materialism. There is room for a great deal of humility about the issue, imo.
 
Charlie said:
Where are they getting the water to grow all that green stuff?
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Same place current homesteaders in AZ and NM and West TX do, I guess. Some wells, some catchment, some irrigation... I know there is a great deal more commitment to desalination projects in the ME than here....., but I dont' think that is feasible in this situation at present.
 
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tanstaafl72555 said:
All this (and I am an agnostic on Whitcomb and Morris and the YEC guys) just shows me that the more you learn, the less you realize you actually know about origins. There is room for a great deal more speculation about the geology of ancient times than we think. I am really quite surprised to realize how shallow the thinking is on the side of the "uniformity" crowd. You may as well just have written a new bible and named it Principles of Geology (Charles Lyell). I have seen religious fanatics with less commitment to their "orthodoxy" (and more empirical evidence!) than there is among some modern advocates of steady state materialism. There is room for a great deal of humility about the issue, imo.
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It's getting even wilder with the megolithic structures being found around the globe. 3 million pound (1500 ton) stone placed perfectly into walls. Multiple angles to some of the stones. Moved incredible distances from the quarries. Cut perfectly. Fit perfectly. Basically, construction methods we don't understand and cannot replicate with current technology. Wild stuff. Human progress is anything but linear.


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