Red dot vs 1-6 scope

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  1. Daleo8803

    Daleo8803 Move along, move along

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    I'm thinking about putting a 1-6 scope on my main "battle rifle". But it has a fixed front sight. Will this interfere with a scope? Can I just put the scope in QD mount? ATM it has a sightmark wolverine red dot.

    The reason I'm wanting a scope is to be able to extend my range. I feel comfortable to 200yds with a red dot but past that I can see what I'm shooting at :)

    Thoughts?
     
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    Flashpoint Member Charter Member Supporting Member

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    If the scope is in a standard AR-15 height mount you shouldn't have any problems. The front sight post will cut down some on the image brightness but will be so out of focus it will not be "in the way".
     
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    Is this battle rifle for range / fun use or hd? If for home defense I’d stick with a red dot. If for fun either is fine. It’s hard to argue self defense when your more than 200 yards away from the threat.


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  4. Daleo8803

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    It's my main training/shooting rifle. I shoot it the most.
     
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    NKD Senior Member Benefactor Kimberless Supporting Member

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    I personally love LPVO scopes. I don't even own an a rifle with a dot or irons. I have a 1-4 on a 14.5" and a 1-6 on a 18".

    It's basically just about everything a red dot is, and so much more. Needs a little better cheek weld than you can get away with on a red dot, but that shouldn't be a problem.
    They are quick to pick up, can be used with or without illumination, and can zoom, so can be used for glassing stuff and spotting/recon type activity. So, the red dots have left the building. I think they are great and they are super useful for sure, but I just like the variable optics better. If I did have a red dot, it would be for a PCC or competition setup, or as a secondary rifle for the house.
    Spend some money to get a decent one.

    My rifles are not "battlefield rifles" but I can tell you this for sure: you wouldn't want me shooting them at you on any kind of field, heh. Just my opinion.

    For 589$ (have to sign in) this is a good deal, with a good QD mount:

    https://dsgarms.com/kt-miqd30-stn5202
     
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  6. dave33

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    Ive got a Burris RT-6 1-6 scope on my AR with an A post front sight and its not in the way at all. You can see it a little in the bottom of your field of view on 1x but not at all on 6x, and realistically those 2 settings will most likely cover 95% of your shooting anyway.

    If you plan to shoot past 200 yds a scope is great, if not a red dot zeroed at 50 yds will be pretty close at 200. I highly recommend the Burris RT-6 if you go variable optic, extremely good glass for a $350 dollar scope. Has decent windage and elevation turrets and a build in throw lever too. Much better eye relief than the Vortex Strike Eagle scopes I was comparing it to.
     
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    RFMan Member Benefactor Life Member

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    This. I got one of these a couple months ago (it was SUPPOSED to be my Christmas present, but they were unobtainium for a while). It is GREAT. I can shoot both eyes open, which I could NOT do with the Leupolds, which are 1.5x at the low end - I tried one of those out in the store. Reticle is crisp and not busy, and the low end is pretty low. Still getting used to the size and weight a little as compared to the little red dots...but it is NICE.
     
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  8. RedneckFur

    RedneckFur Smith & Wesson is a religion of peace.

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    I've run a Weaver K4 on an AR with a front sight for a few years, and had no issues. I couldn't see the front sight in the scope at all, and the combo worked very well.
     
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    CZfool68 Int'l Man of Mystery Charter Member Supporting Member

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    I love my Aimpoint, but right now 200 is my effective range with it. I have tried the 300 yard and up distance, but I need more work. Well I need more work on everything, but that is a whole new thread. I have a Steiner P4Xi, but have only had it out a few times. So far it is very nice.
     
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    1x4 or 1x6 etc... any day of the week. Anything with magnification will not focus on the front sight....It might appear as a small blurry area in the 6 o'clock area of the sight picture, but you generally don't notice it.
     
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  11. Michael Branson

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    I like to work it backwards. Define what job needs to be done first, then choose the tool that does that job best.

    When it comes to rifles, this often equates to intended engagement range. Whether you are in tactical shooting, hunting, home defense, or competition, the goal is to get your sights on target and make a clean shot that will hit as quickly as possible. For a rifle that will only be used out to 100 yards, this usually means a red dot, unless you have astigmatism or other eye issues that don't get along well with red dots (shameless industry shilling here for our new 1x CYCLOPS prism scope red dot alternative). For a rifle that will be used out to 300 yards, a fixed power prism scope can often get the job done for less money. For a rifle that will be used out to 600 yards, get an LPVO. And beyond 600 yards, you are going to have to give up a lot of speed up close in exchange for being able to see and hit at medium to long range.

    I'm a huge fan of LPVOs if you are trying to build a "do it all" rifle with the most flexibility possible. But they aren't the best for any one situation. A red dot is faster than 1-6x set to 1x at room-clearing distances, and there are other factors to consider as well like the brightness of the reticle illumination, battery life, weight and bulk, and cost. I can get you set up with a kick ass micro dot that weighs 5 ounces, has battery life measured in years, and has a lifetime warranty for about $200 with a riser mount for your AR. But our latest 1-6x "Raptor" LPVO is $400 without any mount at all, is almost a foot long and weighs more than a pound. And it's STILL an amazing value compared to the competition.

    So, there's a lot to think about.
     
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    I switched from Aimpoint to Trijicon MRO, only because I wanted something different and a larger FOV. I have not even mounted it yet, but with the Aimpoint anything up to 400 yards was dead. Beyond that was a struggle. It just takes practice.
     
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    I love a red dot for short range, but my eyes are getting old. Making out a target clearly at more than a couple hundred yards is why 4 and 6 power scopes are my thing.
     
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    I used to run my 3-gun AR with a 1-4, and then a 1-6. I got rid of both of them and have a 3-9x40 on it instead, with 45 degree irons alongside it for close range.

    As far as front posts, they interfere less than you'd think, but they're also easy to remove.