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The biggest thing going for Trump is that all the Dems and all the establishment Repub’s hate his guts. That makes him a viable option if we ever get straight up voting.
 
Trump provided his list of SCOTUS candidates well in advance of the election vs Biden who remained silent in his basement.
Well, other than advertising that any nominee had to be black and have a vagina. Man or otherwise. I'm really surprised he didn't wind up in trouble over over discrimination.
 
A vote for someone who can win but will screw you when they do is worse than wasted; it's insane.

Terry
Who’s your guy? A vote for a conservative candidate that CAN win cancels out a vote for a communist. We have to play the hand we are dealt. Any votes not for Trump will only benefit the opposing party and we get what we have now. You know the Lin’s will put up massive votes for their guy. I think Mark Robison is a better candidate but he can’t win.
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The only thing that would change both parties in Washington is a guillotine or gallows. We all know this will never happen to the criminal bastards either.
 
Finally when the law and govt. of the day decided to try to quell the people by taking their guns, it was open war.
This forum has a logo at the top of the page:

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There's a guy in the logo, in the middle of the picture of the Carolinas.

Most folks do not know his name. It's Isaac Davis, if you're wondering.

In mid April of 1775, they were coming for his company's guns. Ammo, actually, to be specific.

For a couple of years in the late 1980s I worked in the next burb west of his home town.
Very enlightening experience. I have always hoped it was an academic lesson.
 
Then explain to me how a third party wins the electoral college? How close has anyone actually come to doing that? Is it possible? In fantasies I guess it is. In reality not so much.

Because we've all been voting for "the lessor of 2 evils" for so long that all we have now is evil. What have you got to lose by trying something different? If more of us voted 3rd party we may not win but it would send a strong message to the GOP not to take gun owners for granted anymore. As it is, they have zero reason to give a crap what you want them to do because you're going to vote for them anyway.

Terry
 
All of the good verdicts we are seeing in the lower courts now are a result of this, and not just on 2A.

Which wouldn't even have been before the court if he hadn't told the ATF to redefine bump stocks as machine guns. Everything the ATF is doing now is fruit from that poison tree.

Terry
 
Because we've all been voting for "the lessor of 2 evils" for so long that all we have now is evil. What have you got to lose by trying something different? If more of us voted 3rd party we may not win but it would send a strong message to the GOP not to take gun owners for granted anymore. As it is, they have zero reason to give a crap what you want them to do because you're going to vote for them anyway.

Terry

That's the spirit! Loosing sends a YUGE message to the GOP! Dude, that's not worked either.

Primaries send a message. Notice how the swampy R's, looking at you McCarty, have stiffened up their spines with this new batch of conservatives pushing them? That's the power of the primary. Ever seen an R make a better decision because of a third party? Remember, Ron Paul was a Republican most of his actual career.

BTW, remember this little ditty from a few years ago where the Libertarian VP nominee was a big anti gun governor from Mass? Yeah, that'll teach em. Johnson/Weld. Helluva third option that was. The problem is ALL, and I mean every D8*&^ party has their idiots.
 
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Can't say yet. We haven't seen all the possible candidates yet,only the ones the GOP, DNC and Media want us to see.

Terry
And that’s all we will see. Our political established is screwed.I understand your point of view clearly. You are correct, there are so many people in this country that would do a better job than anyone out there.
I can go to Wendy’s and order a steak. I rather have that but it’s not in the menu. All politicians have slowly taken out 2a freedoms away. We will not get them back by voting for anyone.
 
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And to the what has Trump done question, more than 1/4 of current active federal judges are Trump appointees. When congress refused to work with him, he went to work re shaping the court system.


 
Show of hands. Who thinks anything is going to get fixed by voting?
I’m doubtful. But, I am willing to invest (possibly waste) a few minutes, just in case.
 
Dude, that's not worked either.

Because we've (gun owners specifically) never actually sent them a "yuge" message. We still think any R is better than any D no matter how many times they shove it in. Lindsay "The Weasel" Graham is a prime example.

Terry
 
Because we've (gun owners specifically) never actually sent them a "yuge" message. We still think any R is better than any D no matter how many times they shove it in. Lindsay "The Weasel" Graham is a prime example.

Terry

Lindsey is re-elected by centrists, center right, and moderate Dems on the coast of sc. The upstate generally dislikes him. Charleston loves him apparently.

And a Lindsay is better than electing a progressive to prove a point. And I don’t like the guy.

Are you saying a dem is better than a shifty rep? There’s a handful of western Dems that might be but they are rare. And the less local the race the less likely a third party gains traction. National races? Forget about it.
 
Because we've all been voting for "the lessor of 2 evils" for so long that all we have now is evil. What have you got to lose by trying something different? If more of us voted 3rd party we may not win but it would send a strong message to the GOP not to take gun owners for granted anymore. As it is, they have zero reason to give a crap what you want them to do because you're going to vote for them anyway.

Terry
A very strong message that the country wanted a democrat president from now to eternity.
 
The silver lining in that cloud is that while this has been true for most of the history of our Republic, the Whig Party was once one of only two viable parties. They went from dominant to disappeared in just a couple election cycles. One can only hope.
The real Democrat Party disappeared a good while ago. The name remains, but the philosophy has shifted drastically to the left and has become the same philosophy as promoted by the Communists. The recent Democrat Party hates America, hates successful people, hates certain races, hates freedom, and hates numerous other things. They truly love power over the lives of citizens and will go to great lengths to force that power upon people by whatever means necessary. Trump was a Democrat. He did not leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left him when it became the Communists Party. Some of the Republicans have also shifted to the left so that they are similar to the Democrats of 40 years ago. Elections matter. Do not elect Communists to any level of government.

Remember the warning of Nikita and the fate of Anne Frank. One is coming true, and the other can be repeated.
 
The real Democrat Party disappeared a good while ago. The name remains, but the philosophy has shifted drastically to the left and has become the same philosophy as promoted by the Communists. The recent Democrat Party hates America, hates successful people, hates certain races, hates freedom, and hates numerous other things. They truly love power over the lives of citizens and will go to great lengths to force that power upon people by whatever means necessary. Trump was a Democrat. He did not leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left him when it became the Communists Party. Some of the Republicans have also shifted to the left so that they are similar to the Democrats of 40 years ago. Elections matter. Do not elect Communists to any level of government.

Remember the warning of Nikita and the fate of Anne Frank. One is coming true, and the other can be repeated.

This is mostly true with one glaring exception that the left exploits and I don't think the right understands yet.

Western Cultural Marxism is not Leninism. It's not grown from the economic bottom up, There will not be a Proletariat uprising to gain power in the US. They have combined the worst parts of Leninism, Maoism, and Italian Fascism. They flipped the power base of Leninism and Maoism on its head. Like Mussolini they have realized the power of the press and the corporation. So the Western Marxist built their power base from the top down. Because capitalism generally makes the worker satisfied with their wage and lifestyle. The western marxist has manipulated the the system to pull media and corporations into their power sphere, and it's mutually beneficial for the most part. The western marxist does not want to own the means of production. They just want to control the means of production through Gov authority. Which is why corporations are benefiting by cozying up to the left. IMO they are dirtier and more willing to cheat the system than Reps were, and the greedy corporations they used to hate have clamored onto that for their own benefit. I used to think it would ultimately destroy those companies. But not if the left brings the corporate ideas of Fascism in. Then it benefits the company to be tied to the ruling party.
 
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