Remote Delivery for NC CCH Class

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I see a bunch of ads on the inter webs purporting to teach the NC Concealed Carry curriculum online. Most turn out to be for non-resident permits in VA or NH. I have found a couple that claim to deliver NC DOJ approved classes via Zoom. I've actually contacted a couple, and they confirmed that they are doing this (except for the range time). Seems to me that a hybrid class with 3 three hour Zoom/WebEx/Teams sessions to cover the classroom and legal stuff, backed by a half day at the range for testing, safe gun handling, manipulation, and shooting would be just the ticket for busy folks. Anyone have any experience in this arena?
 
I don't know NC law. I do know that there's scammers in Illinois that taught shortened, remote, self study variations of classes and only had people meet to shoot the qualification target. These "instructors" would ultimately get caught and every permit they signed off on gets voided. Then students become victims when they get caught with a gun and invalid permit.
I'd sure check the law in NC to see if only in person training is required. Just because they claim they're approved doesn't mean they are approved for shortcut or online training.
 
I just tried searching NCleg.gov but couldn’t find the CHP class requirements. I thought I remembered them laying out the guidelines pretty clearly and would be surprised if online courses were allowed.
 
NC law requires 8 hour classroom plus written test and shooting qualification. I imagine doing the classroom portion virtually would need to be approved by NCDOJ. Personally, I prefer face to face where I can observe the participants' behavior.
 
I agree. In person is best. And having watched folks struggle with Zoom/WebEx/Teams, I wouldn't want to try to deliver this course remotely to just anybody. But I do think there's a use case where it makes sense. This all started when a group of UNC Medical and Dental students expressed interest in a class but struggled with the "all day" format of the existing classes. That led me to wonder if the classroom piece could be delivered in smaller chunks remotely, followed by a half day at the range with small groups. It has also occurred to me that in the winter, when daylight is short, it might help to deliver some of the course, for example, the 2 hour legal block, via Zoom. That would give you extra daylight for range time.

I read the statutes and administrative code. It covers content, but not delivery method. I emailed DOJ, and Bob Overton said remote wasn't allowed. When I asked him to point out where that was documented, he couldn't, so that feels a bit arbitrary to me. I really believe they just never thought about it until COVID hit. Reading the Training and Standards Committee minutes, they have been talking about remote training for instructors and even for portions of BLET. I think NC SHP has pilot tested this.
 
Should def be able to home school this stuff. When I took the class it was taught not just to the slowest kid in the room, but to the hypothetical slowest kid that might ever take the class, kinda like the stereotype of public education but on quaaludes. I assume that it drives the instructors bonkers.

Hell for me would be spending eternity teaching drivers ed.
 
you should just have to be able to pass the written and shooting tests. obviously the written test cannot be taken remotely.

The shooting test should probably include more than just accuracy though. Probably include an evaluation of safe gun handling skills including safely loading, unloading, muzzle discipline, trigger finger discipline, draw from concealment and bolstering since this is a concealed carry class.

Let’s face it watching an eight hour lecture capture at 2X speed would be just as useful as the majority of the in person classes.
 
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JimB said:
Should def be able to home school this stuff. When I took the class it was taught not just to the slowest kid in the room, but to the hypothetical slowest kid that might ever take the class, kinda like the stereotype of public education but on quaaludes. I assume that it drives the instructors bonkers.

Hell for me would be spending eternity teaching drivers ed.
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never underestimate just how stupid some people truly are...
when i took my first class up in MI, we got bogged down by a lady who didn't have a car who kept asking questions about when she's allowed to shoot people while riding her bicycle.
Don't get me wrong, car vs bike is a huge disparity of force and there are some interesting legal questions there.... but those were not what she was asking. Also, whether or not rules for motor vehicles apply to human-powered bicycles bring up some gray areas on the law - but she wasn't asking about those either.
 
Since my last post, I've shopped some of the companies offering remote instruction. I found that many were offering other states' non-resident permit education, but I did find some NC instructors that have been delivering the 8 hour part via Zoom (synchronously, to use the kids' lingo) since COVID, and scheduling a half day at the range to do the test, reinforce handling and safety, and to do the shooting. I have no idea if NC DOJ was consulted.
 
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I asked my NCDOJ contact as well, and he said no. He also said that I could submit a plan for the committee to evaluate. This tells me that they don't understand the difference between the curriculum and the delivery method. They also could not point to any administrative policy or state statute to back up their position. My guess is that it never occurred to them outside of the portions of BLET that they agreed to pilot.
 
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They also could not point to any administrative policy or state statute to back up their position.
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Then the correct answer os to not ask at all and just provide the instruction that meets the statutory obligations.
 
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