Riding the reset is dumb...
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I can throw more accurately than i can shoot. đđ€«đ«Ą
Dirtydirtysouf
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Then you need to work on arm reset for throwing
I disagree
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I disagree with this remark
Some people will not learn new techniques.
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I'm not going to try to educate anyone as I know less and less everyday... but I just got my girlfriend an H&K VP9 to start taking classes with. Ain't nobody riding the reset on that thing with the weird reset spring in those triggers... Unless you like 10 second splits...
Dirtydirtysouf
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Now I agree
I ain't no powie expert, but I agree with the cat in the video. Riding the trigger can be a really bad idea in a very stressful or "gottah shoot fast right now" situation. There must be a hundred opinions on this, but from what I have seen in my own journey, I think the guy is spot on. I would be pretty upset if I accidentally/negligently let a round go. I have seen people do it when they were transitioning from target to target or from holster to target. This is just my opinion, but "Pretensioning" of the trigger carries more risk than reward.
Well, lots of good info and some very opinionated people in here for sure. Iâll join as the latter 
What works for _me_ is what most would call riding the reset. All my action shooting triggers are (good) 1911, 2011, Geissele, Hiperfire, Volquartsen, Tandemkross, etc⊠feel free to call me a trigger snob. I know what I like and what works for me.
None of them have much movement to reset, and if âslap the triggerâ means my fingertip loses contact with the trigger between shots, then I never slap the trigger for follow up shots. What advantage would there be to moving my finger more than necessary between shots? Takes longer and requires more movement, neither of which help with speed or accuracy. I am basically just twitching my fingertip.
Slapping the trigger is NOT faster for me. When the list was still posted I had the record rifle time in the DPRC 2gun rimfire rifle drag race stage - 5 shots into what I think was a 10x15 plate at 10 yards from low ready in 0.87 seconds and I shot all 5 strings in a row under 1.0 several times. My split times (22, 9, or 5.56) used to be mostly in the .14 to .16 range. I shoot less these days but my splits are only a couple hundredths slower.
I carry a Staccato C2
I see people in competition (usually slower ones) flapping their finger back and forth and⊠well, to each his own.
That should throw another log on the fire here
What works for _me_ is what most would call riding the reset. All my action shooting triggers are (good) 1911, 2011, Geissele, Hiperfire, Volquartsen, Tandemkross, etc⊠feel free to call me a trigger snob. I know what I like and what works for me.
None of them have much movement to reset, and if âslap the triggerâ means my fingertip loses contact with the trigger between shots, then I never slap the trigger for follow up shots. What advantage would there be to moving my finger more than necessary between shots? Takes longer and requires more movement, neither of which help with speed or accuracy. I am basically just twitching my fingertip.
Slapping the trigger is NOT faster for me. When the list was still posted I had the record rifle time in the DPRC 2gun rimfire rifle drag race stage - 5 shots into what I think was a 10x15 plate at 10 yards from low ready in 0.87 seconds and I shot all 5 strings in a row under 1.0 several times. My split times (22, 9, or 5.56) used to be mostly in the .14 to .16 range. I shoot less these days but my splits are only a couple hundredths slower.
I carry a Staccato C2
I see people in competition (usually slower ones) flapping their finger back and forth and⊠well, to each his own.
That should throw another log on the fire here
Iâm a long time DAO revolver shooter. My first autos were 1911s and BHPs.
I tried âriding the reset âonce the Glocks and Sigs became prevalent for duty carry and made a conscious decision to not adopt the practice because it affected my revolver trigger stroke.
I see nothing wrong with it; youâre training your subconscious with whatever method you choose. It will default (under stress) to training. I see no difference in this and training DA/SA (DA first shot/SA subsequent shots) trigger manipulation ; itâs just a technique. Roll with what gets you the most hits the fastest AND is repeatable for you.
I tried âriding the reset âonce the Glocks and Sigs became prevalent for duty carry and made a conscious decision to not adopt the practice because it affected my revolver trigger stroke.
I see nothing wrong with it; youâre training your subconscious with whatever method you choose. It will default (under stress) to training. I see no difference in this and training DA/SA (DA first shot/SA subsequent shots) trigger manipulation ; itâs just a technique. Roll with what gets you the most hits the fastest AND is repeatable for you.
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Life is far too short to endure crappy triggers. It is a public service to teach people about bougie triggers and how those triggers can cure diseases like wearing flat brim hats or driving Carolina squat trucks.
It isnât a point of view. Itâs a calling.
Volquartsen, Geissele, and Kidd all the things and perhaps good taste and sanity will return to our country.
A college kid wandered up to us at the range today and heard the gospel of Volquartsen Scorpion. On the one hand I am proud. On the other hand I feel a little bad about putting him on a path that will absorb most of his disposable income for the rest of his life.
Well I guess I donât feel THAT bad about it.
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I don't work much clinically much anymore; now I am in adult education. This can be applied to almost every skill in any facet of live.
I don't have an opinion of 'riding the reset.' Some people and organizations teach it, some don't. Practice what you have learned and find out what works best.
In case anyoneâs interested in how Trigger Control At Speed looks, âfirepowerunitedâ (Calvin Truong) on Instagram has a demo video showing the drill on a pretty far target while testing Mason Laneâs low-support-hand grip on a Glock 19.
Just posted recently.
Just posted recently.
I'm a well known trigger slapper and i shoot pretty darn good.
At the expense of being different or being dismissed because I don't have his background, I STILL think it has merit to teach and learn-NOT as "the only way" but as an exercise. It makes you more familiar with the weapon, and in SOME shooting scenarios I still think it can be used (?)
Also this topic seems to deal with pistols only-I apply this to SA rifles also, and do some of my best shooting at qualification time using reset on my ARs. Heck the AR has one of the nicest "resets" ever. I will grant that I can shoot FASTER without using the reset and rapidly and repeatedly but I then ALSO outrun the recoil-i.e., not getting my best sight picture from shot-to-shot (while still pointing at center mass of course).
I think we can shoot TOO fast sometimes-look at the spray and pray tactics of the "acorn" officer in Florida or the two female officers on the video on the apartment stairwell that were in the news a couple months ago.
Also this topic seems to deal with pistols only-I apply this to SA rifles also, and do some of my best shooting at qualification time using reset on my ARs. Heck the AR has one of the nicest "resets" ever. I will grant that I can shoot FASTER without using the reset and rapidly and repeatedly but I then ALSO outrun the recoil-i.e., not getting my best sight picture from shot-to-shot (while still pointing at center mass of course).
I think we can shoot TOO fast sometimes-look at the spray and pray tactics of the "acorn" officer in Florida or the two female officers on the video on the apartment stairwell that were in the news a couple months ago.
âOutrunningâ the recoil isnât a trigger speed issue. Itâs a technique issue (mostly grip on a pistol, but on a rifle, shoulder position and pressures are part of that). You are physically in charge of making that gun return to zero. The only thing the gun does is recoil a little bit. If itâs not returning to zero before you pull the trigger again, itâs because youâre allowing the gun to do it.
Try some one-shot-return drills to find the pressure needed to get immediate sight-return-to-point-of-focus. All you do is look at a spot on a target, shoot when the sights/dot cover it, and fiddle with grip and pressures until the sights/dot return to that point-of-focus immediately. If the sights are floating above and settling slowly, add more support hand pressure. If the sights dip below or in a weird direction, dial back.
Drill that pressure with doubles. Boom, you no longer need to âslow downâ your trigger waiting on recoil recovery for targets at a reasonable distance (10-15 yards with a duty pistol, 25-30 yards with a 5.56 AR).
Speed has nothing to do with those examples. LE has a real standards problem: crappy shooters, out-of-shape bodies, and weak psychological profiles get into uniform every day and stay there because thereâs no incentive to fire them just for being awful. You really have to screw up to get fired, and even then, the duds can find jobs at smaller departments if they want to stay in LE.
My second FTO was on my departmentâs SWAT teamâhe was too fat to wear a vest and left me stranded on every single foot pursuit I engaged in. He could not fight without getting severely winded immediately. He wasnât even the fattest guy on the SWAT team⊠and that was the âbestâ my old department (large county, 500+ sworn) had to offer. Low standards wonât improve by telling cops to shoot slower.
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