Single shot 30-30 with pointed bullets
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A little lower and you’d better be a good tracker. 😉
Lehigh is good, I have some of those, but most of mine are 100 FB Raptors by CEB............. if I run .308 caliber, its loaded with a 100 Raptor.......... 300BLK, 7.62X40, 30/30, 308 Winchester, 300 Winchester.......110gr Lehigh controlled chaos. Should be able to get it into the 2500+ fps range with no problem. /Thread
I remove the tips for mine, since mine are all running through the lever guns........... Keeping it to 42000 PSI I run 40.5/AA 2520 giving 2621 fps in 16 inch guns, 2830 fps in 20 inch guns, and 3008 fps in 26 inch gun. For a single shot absolutely use the Talon Tip inserted............
Now for the last few years, friends, and others using this bullet and load have taken from 125-150 total deer, a few bear, lots of hog/pigs............300 BLK and 308 Winchester mostly, some 7.62X40.......... hit in the front end, there is no tracking required, DRT.......
My son took this one last week, 308 Winchester and 100 Raptors...........This is a SC Deer, taken at our Farm.........
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@Michael458 you notice much of an impact shift when you remove the tips from those raptors?
A ton of questions.
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Where was the hit on your sons deer? (swamp donkey for sure)
Did you recover the bullet? Do these brass bullets expand, grenade or just punch a hole?
Damage to the meat?
Distance of shot?
What would 30/30 velocities be like?
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Where was the hit on your sons deer? (swamp donkey for sure)
Did you recover the bullet? Do these brass bullets expand, grenade or just punch a hole?
Damage to the meat?
Distance of shot?
What would 30/30 velocities be like?
No POI change from 50 to 100 yards...... I don't know beyond that.......but at those yardages, same hole........
Too far to the rear, almost gut shot.......went 20 yards and down....the furthest any deer shot has gone with a Raptor, but bad shot..........
No, never recovered one from a deer...... at 1.5-2 inches of penetration, 6 blades shear from the main bullet, almost an explosive action at that point, for the next 5 inches or so of travel, blades are slice and dice expanding tissues as the blades move from the center bullet they become secondary projectiles and slice internals to pieces, center main bullet acts like a full wadcutter broken beer bottle solid, exits far side........ All Raptors behave this way, from .224 caliber to .620 caliber..... larger caliber has larger blades and travel further of course, they are BLADES, not petals..... petals peel, these slice/dice through tissue...........
? Sometimes it can be substantial, other times depending on shot I guess, as long as there is cows running around, I don't eat that stuff..............
Keeping it to 42000 PSI I run 40.5/AA 2520 giving 2621 fps in 16 inch guns, 2830 fps in 20 inch guns, and 3008 fps in 26 inch gun. For a single shot absolutely use the Talon Tip inserted............
I think it was 50 yards or so.......
I’m not a head stuffer, not that their is anything wrong with that, just never had the extra money when I needed it done.
So the reason I asked about the meat damage is because if I couldn’t eat ‘em, I’d just quit killing ‘em.
Thanks for all the answers.
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I don't hunt deer..... perhaps with the exception of New Zealand on a couple of trips......Red Stag... Elk.......... Most all my hunting has been with larger calibers. This 100 Flat Base Raptor began life as a 100 ESP Raptor/Solid. Enhanced System Projectile. It could be loaded both ways, Raptor and reversed end as a Solid. However, the Solid end of this particular bullet had a very short Nose Projection, which caused it to be seated very deep in the case, and the short nose projection limited its penetration. There is a 130 ESP Raptor/Solid that is superb for 30/30, and both ends can be used effectively, either as a Raptor Trauma Enhanced, or as a pure Solid. I redesigned the 100 gr bullet as a pure Flat Base Raptor, and did away with the Solid portion completely.
My friends had been using the ESP version for several years as a Raptor only. Extreme success with deer and pigs, mostly in 308 Winchester. The 100 Flat Base Raptor was much better for nearly all .308 calibers in my opinion, superb in the smaller capacity cases such as 300 BLK and 7.62X40. Removing the Talon Tip for 30/30 it is a top end performer and really enhances the capabilities of the lever cartridge.
Terminal performance is just incredible with these. The load I gave out, 40.5/AA 2520 with the 100 Raptor in 30/30 is under 42000 PSI, will work in any lever gun without issue and below max safe pressures. Lever guns are not all created equal. I have one 16 inch gun that I have run this bullet to over 3000 fps. However, this load also locks other guns up tight. I am sure sustained use of this load would in the end do damage to it at some point, even though it handles it, does not make it suitable. Since I have several other lever guns in 30./30, I went across the spectrum and found I needed to stay below 42000 PSI for all guns to function properly.
The 110 Lehigh Chaos mentioned above is also a good bullet, behaves very similar to the Raptor, with the exception the petals peel, break off, do lots of damage of course, but the base of the bullet is half what the base of a Raptor is, therefore some less penetration of the base. Still devastating.
Very thin skin smaller animals may show serious damage on entrance, larger animals less damage on entry, and all animals massive internal damage. Exits for smaller calibers, 338 caliber and less, is mostly caliber size. A deer the size of my sons above will normally show caliber entrance and caliber exit...... We have heard the phrase "Pencil Through", however those terms forgot to add that everything in between is MUSH......... These people do not do internal investigation. Raptors inflict more trauma and tissue damage than any bullet out there, and penetration is not sacrificed. There is no upper end of velocity. Low end velocity the bullet does not shear at 1400-1500 fps...... Some other Raptors are designed to shear at lower velocity 800-1200 fps......... but we are talking this 100 FB Raptor currrently, and I would guess low end shear would be 1400 fps or so. At which point the tip would break apart, and it would become a hollow point solid or cup point bullet.
Now, with SINGLE SHOT, using the Talon Tip, here is what that tip buys you at 50 yards in an early test with the 100 ESP Raptors.................
Thanks again for the imparted knowledge.
A recent example of the expansion of the Hornady FTX.
It leaves excellent blood trails.
It leaves excellent blood trails.
Still bottom of the bucket on my selection list for sure…they may preform but I dnt want a run of the mill 30-30 load I wanted a true pointed bullet no polymer just lead/copper or straight copper 😉